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These comments took the "bunker" concept literally. They're not going to Saddam Hussein and hide in a hole. Jeffrey Bezos has a private cruise ship and his own private island.
Like a leech, they're abandoning their host and moving to somewhere friendly. And we're not able to get to them.
True, but the problems remain the same: No matter, how you hide out, what do these billionaires do when they have to fix issues? Who do they call when someting breaks? In a bunker, the water supply or the air filter can break. You need someone to repair it. Also, you need spare parts. On a boat a sail can get torn in a storm, or the engine could fail. Depending on the apolyptical setting, going to a harbor might not be an option. Here also, spare parts are needed.
What all these methods of locking away oneself have in common is, that this can be only for a rather short period of time, preferrably, as long as your supplies last. When being in a bunker or on a boat for, let's say a month only, these assholes will even call it an adventure. But these billionaires assume that they can survive for years.
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As opposed to other periods of history, when the rich didn't hoard wealth.
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Let's pretend that society is collapsing and then, when they're all locked in their bunkers, we cement them in and go about fixing the world.
Cask of Amontillado style. I love it. Last thing we do before sealing the air vents is chuck a stinkbomb in it.
I honestly think this is what will happen.
They're children. They're panicking and trying to hide a mess, the adults will just walk in and fix it
Remember one thing: a bunker, no matter how well built, is not absolutely safe. It can be slowly and steadily taken apart by hand tools, buried to become a tomb or blown apart. If air goes in, then inflamable gases can go in. Or the vents sealed.
Inside a bunker, you're corraled.
I read this in the voice of Nemik from Andor. Don't know why, I think it's the "Remember one thing"
Additional to that - what is a bunker worth when you can't reach it? I think those super-rich people who build bunkers in remote places watched too many movies and didn't think it through.
Also a valid reasoning.
tbf most of these problems can be solved by murder drones
Murder drones can be countered
This is the fucking insanity. I know people burying silver in their yard "for the day"
NO ONE IS GONNA GIVE A SHIT ABOUT SILVER COME THE COLLAPSE. The only thing that would be useful for is a werewolf apocalypse.
Oh you got a bunker to hide out in? For what? What's the next step? Until rescue? Until things "get better"? There will be no rescue and no recovery you will ever see. you will die in there like the trapped rat you are.
There’s a comic called Billionaire Island. Seems relevant.
Douglas Rushkoff has written about the apocalypse bunkers the rich are building, and about how their planning does not account for how to control their private security once money means nothing.
The wealthy are not smart enough to plan the collapse, the handful who are smart enough to plan for it can’t figure out how to make it more than a few months.
I've always wondered about that. If society is collapsing, money has no value. The people you hired to help you are going to turn on you and take everything.
The wealthy are not smart enough to plan the collapse
The wealthy are the cause of it. Cancer ain't gonna get to curing cancer....
Here is an article about his book from 2022. I think I have read this in the past, but I coduln't remember his name. What stuck to me was this:
In the end (so to speak) billions of dollars can only take these guys so far, anyway. “Why do you think they’re gonna protect you after your money is worthless?” Rushkoff remembers asking his billionaire desert hosts of their private security forces. From there, the men began grasping at straws. “At that point, it was shock collars and guard dogs and combinations to the safes,” he says of their last resorts.
Yeah.
Better than worrying about these cheesedicks, build mutual aid networks with friends and neighbors and coworkers. We’ll all need help at some point in the near future.
To dump tons of dirt on bunker doors?
AND plant crops in the dirt after.
Beautiful. We won’t eat the rich, but they’ll fertilize our crops.
The rich hoard wealth full stop. That's why they're rich; "being rich" and "being poor" are emergent properties of inequitable wealth distribution.
They may think that they're being smart but, if society collapses, their money will be worth nothing. If anything, they have more to lose than anyone.
In the leadup to societal collapse (you are here!), land ownership matters more than anything. It is immune to inflation. To a lesser extent, stocks matter. It's not like billionaires are sitting on a mountain of cold hard cash.
In the aftermath of societal collapse, control of ~~law enforcement~~ private militias matters. If you can feed and house a militia, then you can control access to farmlands, roads, all kinds of resources. Control of those resources will allow you to support your militia and provide sufficient coercion for people to "willingly" join that militia. The only tricky part here is the transitional phase, and honestly, there's probably enough cultural inertia that this will not be much of a problem at all.
See: feudalism. It is the wet dream of every ultra-rich piece of shit.
Most of the world is highly dependent on long-distance transport for the necessities of life, including food. Look at any major American city. None of them are anywhere close to self-sustaining. Self-sustainability is something America has not only ignored, but actively avoided and prevented in the design of its cities in favor of the "efficiency" of factory farms.
The best time to eat the rich was yesterday. The second-best time is today. Billionaires are an existential threat to society.
Control of militias matters, absolutely. Now tell me why those militias wouldn't immediately depose their billionaire and take what wealth he has for themselves.
Same reason they don't today, generally: they are reliant on their jobs for their own personal safety and that of their families. Destroying the system that sustains them (even just barely) might not be in their immediate self-interest. They are disconnected from their peers (and those who would be their peers). Any direct action would be met with immediate hostility by the majority of the militia, and the best they could hope for is a volatile power vacuum.
See: prisoner's dilemma.
This does not rely on the rank-and-file enforcers to be particularly malicious people, only for them to have no clear and safe alternative.
If we're being perfectly honest, most of us are in similar situations today. I am fully aware that my tax dollars fund oppression all over the world, yet I still prefer to pay my taxes than go to prison. Realistically, I'm not going to stop participating in society, because it would hurt me immensely and it would help no one on its own. But I'm not kidding myself either; I am part of a corrupt system.
Real, lasting change requires organization and synchronicity. My choices as an individual are severely limited.
Inertia. Why did kings exist for so long?
Inertia. Why did kings exist for so long?
They did not 'exist' spontaneously to begin with.
Grossly put, In early days France kings were elected. That's how Hugues Capet became king of France around 980 AD (Hugh is considered the founder of the Capetian family that lead to Louis XIV and to Louis XVI). He was elected by the other members of the aristocracy, and he was far from being the most powerful/rich/vast land owner (his 'kingdom' was in reality quite small compared to the lands of other aristocrats). Then, it's a lot of diplomacy and a lot more patience (over centuries), alliances and marriages (plus a few treason, and feuds) that made the difference and lead to his descents to become the incarnation of absolute power they once were peaking in the advent of Louis XIV and then it went to shit rather quickly (the dude died around 1715... barely 70-some years before the French revolution and the Republic), with only two more kings after him the second one, Louis XVI, ending beheaded. Meanwhile that Capet family was not 'undisputed' as the legit kings. Valois and then Plantagenet contested quite harshly their title and for quite some time they took it from them. It was only in somewhere in the XIII century that the Capet took back their power... up until 1789.
So, beside religion (bad karma, plus real risk of lessening one's power) politics and pragmatism explain the non constant killing of new kings. The real risk of having to face a coalition of all the other aristocrats (hostile to power grab) and also the certainty that if anyone could kill a king to become king, well, anyone else could do the same to the new one. It was much better (and safer) to agree to keep one king alive for a while and then, while publicly submitting to his authority (up to a certain point, as there were almost constant... disagreements) to split practical power between them (aka, back then split land ownership). It's also a lot cheaper than to have to fight constant internal wars to keep whatever you can put your hands on by a coup. Plus, publicly recognizing the dude as your king did not prevent you from secretly (or not so secretly) to weaken him or help to make his life hell. Ancient history of France is filled with that. It's great read ;)
They run entire economies around themselves. You can hope some of their sphere turn on them but what makes you think they don't have farms and advanced technology and pet technology firms and all sorts of shit all ready to go?
It's not about the number of dollars or spending them it is about power. They will create new autocracies with themselves at the head, it's not about the money anymore but what the money has already bought them. For the past decades the only thing that tells them "no" is the FBI and military. They look at what happened to John McAfee and want to ensure it never happens to them.
The tariffs are hurting America because American manufacturing - like all manufacturing around the world - depends on global supply chains. Do you think those container ships are still going to be doing business as usual after the collapse?
I don't really see why that would impact them. I think the techbro economies are designed with these kinds of constraints in mind. They don't care about global productivity where they don't control it, and they have the means to secure much of whatever they think they need by coercion or force (particularly after a global collapse like what this article is about). Musk and co can own a private fleet of container ships especially once nobody can use them for normal trade anymore and people are desperate to offload them - if they even really need them in the first place.
They can buy and resurrect entire portions of the economy given their outsized proportion of wealth. Entire countries operate on less. How do you think dictators, feudalism, kings, gangs and every other despot power structure operate and have operated for all of human history? This is way beyond money. This is political power where money is just the means to achieve an end goal. Does Putin live in anything but opulent wealth despite his entire country's economy being in the shitter?
Money has value because it represents power to get someone to do what you want. When fiat currency, then precious metals and jewels lose the ability to get shit done there will be food and water as the remaining currency. In the US there will also be bullets and guns to become fiat currency.
Burn it all just to rule the ashes.
Yeah billionaires got there because they're smart... Riiiiight...
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