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[–] cryptikos@lemmy.world 1 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Human intelligence is not capable of understanding the universe in a complete way.

We lack the hardware: we have the sense of touch, smell, taste, sight, and hearing, all are rather specifically tuned to our most proximate use cases, maybe we have a few more senses that we haven't articulated well yet, but probably not very useful (in a grand sense).

We lack the software: While we are intelligent relative to every other form of life on Earth (that we know about), it seems highly unlikely that we are just now in the place and time in the existence of our species that we have developed the level of consciousness and insight and (contemporaneously) the scientific understanding and material knowledge and capabilities required to characterize the reality we live in.

An amoeba cannot imagine the intellect of a frog, and the frog cannot imagine the intellect of a human being, and so-on. There is no reason to think we are not rather low on the chain of possible animal intelligence. There may be hard limits on the level of intelligence that can be obtained via natural selection of carbon based life-forms on our planet, and even if we could become dramatically more intelligent (IQ 300, 3000, 30000, etc.) it is unclear (and improbable) that the combination of our evolved sensory mechanisms (hardware for obtaining information) and intelligence (software) would be "the right stuff" to discover the essence of existence...because evolution is more about keeping score of who gets laid, and there is no reason to think that the "understand the universe and all of material reality" sidequest has any correlation with getting laid. You could reasonably say that, for example, biomass is a form of embodied wisdom - "There is a lot of us and we aren't going anywhere," then plants, protists, fungi, bacteria, etc. all seem to have us beat. While it seems highly likely that 1 million years from now there will be trees that strongly resemble those that exist now, it is highly unlikely that humans in our ultra complicated ultra niche fragile life cycle will exist in our current form. Hard to say probability-wise if we will continue to increase in our complexity (sensory abilities, consciousness, intellect), because there is an intuitive sense that simplicity a la ants is a better strategy, yet we do exist...

[–] simonp@lemmy.world 2 points 5 days ago

I have never once created an account on a website in order to leave a comment on a blog post. But, holy smokes.

Thanks for this—very much informing my thinking.

[–] lpdbw@lemmy.world 1 points 5 days ago (1 children)

What is the motivation for humans to "move molecules" for the Being, specifically in the question of curing cancer?

I have seen the extent to which the Pharma and medical community will go in order to cover up perfectly harmless and potentially helpful therapies like low-carb diets and off-label antiparisitic drugs.

The big money in cancer is treating it with expensive therapies until the patient dies, not curing it.

[–] dynomight@lemmy.world 1 points 4 days ago

Being: "If you move these molecules around you can cure cancer and make a near-infinite amount of money"

Humans: "OK!"

[–] tjhowse@lemmy.world 4 points 6 days ago

I think the biggest improvement in output compared to baseline humans would stem from synthesis between fields. At best a human can become a turbo-expert in a single field of study, maybe two if they're truly exceptional.

Being an expert in everything would let The Being see links between fields invisible to normal folk.

Imagine a master sculptor who's also an incredible portrait artist. Bam! Photorealistic sculptures!

It's not hard to imagine a field of maths linking closely with biology to produce statistical models for cell propagation. Multidisciplinary teams can achieve great things, but imagine that team is inside a single skull.

[–] insanityCheck@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Good article! Mostly agree, except for cancer (I think biology research is in some way limited by capacity of keeping things in your head) and Trump win.

Especially on Trump, I feel like our society has no good models for population level behavior and information warfare. This is very hard to research, but I strongly believe there are some low hanging fruits there!

[–] dynomight@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

That's a good point re: biology. It's so vast that everyone seems to sub-sub-sub specialize. It's hard to speculate about what might follow if someone was able to master literally every aspect of biology at the same time.

Re: Trump, my naive model is that people are just complicated and it's incredibly hard to model them and say how they will respond to a given situation, or how many of the different types of people there are, or exactly what media they've consumed, etc. Do you really mean that just using the existing polling data, etc. it should have been possible to be confident?

The main thing that gives me pause there is that some people were very confident that Trump would win, most notably that French guy that made millions betting on the outcome. He definitely made some good points regarding polling analysis, though I wonder if there are other people who could have made equally good points if the election had gone the other way...

[–] insanityCheck@lemmy.world 2 points 6 days ago

I don't think polling data would be enough, no, but I imagine a 300IQ being would be able to figure out a good way to datamine X and reddit and establish key influencers. For example it should be possible to extract the reach of an influencer by tracking certain speech terms and identifying where they came from (most recently a lot of RW people speak about green card holders as "guests"). This might provide more informative data than polling already, although it is heavily biased towards online people.

But I would not be surprised if a very smart person would be able to extract a signal from publicly accessible social media data.

[–] sjudubya@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

I'm not sure that thinking speed alone would give you much. If I could think 10x faster my capabilities for things like math and physics wouldn't be that much faster. I can only keep so much of a given problem in my head, so I'd still need to write things down and work through the algebra. To avoid that, I'd need a pretty massive increase in working memory, proportional to the increase in speed

[–] dynomight@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago

For sure, thinking faster alone will hit diminishing returns pretty fast. I think you need to assume the Being is also much "smarter" along all sorts of other dimensions, too.