Marxists.org using “Stalinist” like this… 👀 (www.marxists.org)

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Are they really editing publications?

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[-] SovereignState@lemmygrad.ml 78 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

I am fairly certain Marxists.org is run by trotskyites, unfortunately.

Evidence dump

Note how Trotsky is presented here.

Compare it to how they present Stalin.

In their Library, here are but a few examples of them using "Stalinist" this same way.

Everybody's favorite anti-Stalinist hero...

They offer such an invaluable service. They are also, unfortunately, insufferable.

[-] ImOnADiet@lemmygrad.ml 45 points 10 months ago

library on prolewiki will replace them one day!

(yes this is hopium)

[-] ProbablyKaffe@lemmygrad.ml 41 points 10 months ago

Their line on Hungary 1956 is very wack and full of empire lies

[-] SovereignState@lemmygrad.ml 39 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Pièce de résistance, here they are not only being obnoxious Trotsky stans, but also racist.

[-] juchebot88@lemmygrad.ml 12 points 10 months ago

Racism goes with the Troskyite territory. Take this, for example, from Trotsky's "If America Should Go Communist" (1934):

Source

[-] SovereignState@lemmygrad.ml 10 points 10 months ago

I don't quite feel like subjecting myself to the text itself (I'm on a workbreak, I'll probably remember later and source it), but I'm almost certain Trotsky thought Afrikan-Amerikans spoke a different language lol.

IIRC he was asked if black Amerikans constituted their own nation and deserved support in their self-determination thereof.

Ah, nevermind. Here we are. Top ten Trotsky quote.

Fair enough for a Soviet politician not to know every facet of Amerikan race issues, I suppose. Still... I can't deny how silly this is, and knowing this little probably should have prevented him from speaking on the issue at all.

[-] Parsani@hexbear.net 33 points 10 months ago

That is a wild read of Lukacs lol

[-] juchebot88@lemmygrad.ml 29 points 10 months ago

is run by trotskyites

Their web design is the first thing that tipped me off.

[-] QueerCommie@lemmygrad.ml 26 points 10 months ago

Damn, didn’t realize Khrushchev was a dirty Stalinist./s

[-] SovereignState@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 10 months ago

I guess Stalin's corpse was responsible for the crushing of the Hungarian revolt. Khruschev was a good little anti-Stalinist, the bravest of the USSR's leadership in fact!

[-] Shinhoshi@lemmygrad.ml 24 points 10 months ago

They offer such an invaluable service

It just makes me trust it less knowing that they’re editing stuff like this without making it clear they’re doing this to people who are looking for a Marxist text and stumble across a copy there.

[-] SovereignState@lemmygrad.ml 21 points 10 months ago

mfw you're so anti-dogmatic you literally just edit the parts of history and theory you don't like out

[-] Alaskaball@hexbear.net 16 points 10 months ago

how stalinist of them joker-troll

[-] usernamesaredifficul@hexbear.net 15 points 10 months ago

it's really weird how Trotskyists will complain about the USSR not being liberal enough. Secret police was one of Trotsky's ideas

Trotsky was a lot of things he was not liberal

[-] SovereignState@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 10 months ago

Trotsky sought to organize the proletariat along military lines. Trotsky gave the order to crush the Kronstadt rebellion.

His "anti-Stalinism" makes him a romantic lil anti-authoritarian bean in the eyes of imperial "communists", though.

[-] iridaniotter@lemmygrad.ml 57 points 10 months ago

Some of the endnotes inserted by Progress’s Stalinist editors in editions up to and including the last editions in the 1970s are fraught with polemics aimed at prejudicing the reader against this or that Bolshevik or revolutionary who, since Lenin’s death, had fallen out of favor with the current leadership of the USSR at the time the notes were inserted. Wherever possible, we have deleted, corrected, or toned down these polemics. In addition, we have added our own notes where appropriate, integrating them into the whole of the endnotes for each document.

Wow yeah that's pretty ridiculous. They claim to be archivists and yet they're clearly editors.

[-] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmygrad.ml 33 points 10 months ago

And this is on top the original notes and editions often based on khrushchevite (or worse!) editions.

[-] Henkire@lemmygrad.ml 46 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Have I got a better website for you?

https://en.prolewiki.org/wiki/ProleWiki:Main_page https://en.prolewiki.org/wiki/ProleWiki:Library

[-] CriticalResist8@lemmygrad.ml 46 points 10 months ago

Yep and we don't edit books bc we don't like what they say, we provide annotations instead so you can easily tell what is from PW and what is from the original edition we copy from. We also offer our own foreword on some works, again explicitly marked, so that readers can easily understand why they should read a book

[-] Henkire@lemmygrad.ml 28 points 10 months ago

And that's why you all have my full support comrade.

[-] Shinhoshi@lemmygrad.ml 15 points 10 months ago

Thank you for your service, comrade zoidberg salute 2

[-] FanonFan@hexbear.net 14 points 10 months ago

Still in the running for top 10 websites on the internet. Critical support I suppose.

[-] aaaaaaadjsf@hexbear.net 12 points 10 months ago

It's run by sectarian trots, this is unfortunately pretty standard

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