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People's Party of Canada will not attend, commission says

The Green Party will participate in two federal leaders' debates this month after meeting the minimum requirements to attend, organizers said Tuesday.

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[–] wampus@lemmy.ca -2 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Eh, good luck to them. I find it hard to take them seriously at this point, though I've historically voted green in most elections. Their leadership fiasco recently was an absolute embarrassment, and honestly a huge blow against the DEI policies they encourage. Having May there again is also a bit of a flag, as going back to the previous leader who wanted out makes it seem like there's a real lack of leadership options / sustainability in the party's gov structure.

Their candidates are pretty clearly still heavily fringe oriented, with very hard left leaning stances when you read through bios. This time around it seems like my local candidate has very questionable qualifications, basically just being a FN grandmother with five kids of her own at ~45. I don't see how that'd represent me/my interests locally or nationally in the house, especially as a non FN. They're still beating that demographic politics marching drum, but it cuts both ways. You can't realistically put a candidate forward saying they're all about their own demographic interests, and supporting their own demographic slice, without alienating people who aren't part of that slice. Especially if there's no other substance to the candidate.

The party's 'platform'/position on topics isn't really costed out from what I could see on their site. Tons of spending, main thing they seem to note for generating revenue is the ever nebulous 'closing business tax loop holes' type thing. They seem to imply they're going to create redundancies in some areas of gov, whole new agencies, make good on every costly suggestion of the MMIWG, and on and on. Feels hollow to me, especially seeing where the markets are currently.

Top that off with some of their positions being a bit vague, and potentially really authoritarian. Like saying they're going to make online sites subject to the same regulation as publishers in regards to hate speech etc. Suddenly community forums like Lemmy would potentially be liable for anything anyone writes, if that's implemented the way it's described. And as a far left party, they'd uphold the most restrictive/authoritarian definitions of what constitutes hate speech I'm sure.

[–] Alaric@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 day ago (2 children)

When it comes to the greens you really have to bear in mind the circumstances in which they exist. A green party majority government is simply not on the table and not what you should be voting for. Instead, bear in mind that the green party does not enforce any kind of "party whip" -- it's in essence a party of ideologically-aligned independent candidates, and should very much be approached on a candidate-by-candidate/riding-by-riding basis, rather than something like a low profile backbencher CPC/LPC MP where you're essentially just voting for the party itself. You vote for them if you think that they can be a vocal advocate for your community and your causes in parliament, not because you think they'll perform well or poorly if they hypothetically formed government -- they'd have a long road to get there, and if they were approaching that they would pick up more funding, consultants, etc. to help that transition.

One thing that has always stood out to me when hearing from or speaking to green representatives (including my own green MPP) is the level of passion, compassion, and candidness which I have found lacking from many politicians, which resonates greatly with me. But it's something that really should be approached at the individual riding level for the reasons I outlined above.

[–] CanadianCorhen@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 day ago

yea, i think the strength of the greens, ideally, are as a kingmaker. A minority government, with NDP and Green supporting them would be great.

[–] wampus@lemmy.ca -1 points 1 day ago

I haven't really spoken to any of my green reps before, in terms of them running for the seat. I have had interactions with my NDP MLA and MP, and have been left thoroughly disappointed with the results.

I don't think a whip position is really that big a deal for a party, until they have enough people elected to make it matter.

[–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

DEI policies

This is an American term, we don’t use it

You might be shocked to learn we also don’t require minorities label themselves as such on job applications

In Canada we have the Employment Equity Act and Accessible Canada Act but it’s mainly the Charter that lays these things out

[–] wampus@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

In Canada its termed EDI https://www.canada.ca/en/research-coordinating-committee/priorities/equity-diversity-inclusion-research.html

We do see requirements for people to state whether they're an Employment Equity group -- or rather, options to positively identify as an employment equity group so that you can get passed that 'check' on the hiring process. The government of Canada will literally send you a note saying you've been kicked out of the application pool for 'not' identifying as such on their forms, for example. And the only group that isn't an employment equity group, are cis white men. The checkboxes to identify as FN are also "optional", but generally translate into more benefits/privileges in hiring and so on.

The Employment equity act is a derived document that changes the Charter's general assertions in 15(1)(2) into specific groups which, the verbiage of which excludes only cis white men. The Charter says "no discrimination based on race/gender", the EEA says "you can positively discriminate in favour of any group except cis white guys".

No, I'm not surprised in the slightest by either of these, seeing as I've known about these things for decades, and seeing as I've received "You didn't identify as an Equity Employment Group" rejection letters from the federal government in the past.

[–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

You didn’t identify as an Equity Employment Group” rejection letters from the federal government in the past.

On job applications/Resume submissions?

[–] wampus@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 day ago

Never seen the field, only seen it on offers

Yeah I honestly feel like the Green Party will take a hit this election, which is a damn shame. I normally vote for them too, but based on the last provincial election I'm no longer in a safe riding as the conservative percentage jumped alarmingly close to beating the long established incumbent.