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Just some fun size comparisons (startrek.website)

submitted 10 months ago by Stamets@startrek.website to c/startrek@startrek.website

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Not sure how accurate it is but given the figures I vaguely recall, this feels pretty accurate.

Realizing that the Discovery is longer than any of these ships really puts shit into perspective

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[-] clearedtoland@lemmy.world 38 points 10 months ago

Sneaky Defiant! Took me a moment.

[-] HWK_290@lemmy.world 23 points 10 months ago

That the Defiant is as big as the entire saucer on the Constitution class is wild. I thought it was much much smaller

[-] xyguy@startrek.website 18 points 10 months ago

It's even funnier when you hear the Sisko's initial description of the defiant.

It's a warship, nothing more, nothing less.

And also

No families, no science labs, no luxuries of any kind...

Meanwhile it's almost as big as the OG Enterprise which did in fact have a regulation size bowling alley inside.

So all that space, basically just for engines and guns on the Defiant.

[-] Tavarin@lemmy.ca 7 points 10 months ago

It had a lot of engines and guns

[-] Just_Pizza_Crust@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago

It also had a Romulan cloaking device and ablative armor that would disintegrate when hit rather than rupture.

[-] ThunderWhiskers@lemmy.world 8 points 10 months ago

I always forget just how large the defiant is. I feel like there is rarely anything close enough in the camera shots to get a good idea of scale. Other than DS9 I mean.

[-] pancakes@sh.itjust.works 5 points 10 months ago

Everything looks tiny when compared to ds9

[-] Basilisk@mtgzone.com 6 points 10 months ago

Although when they created DS9 in Star Trek Online, they had to massively scale it up because otherwise it would have gotten lost among all the players' ships, both by sheer volume and because so many ships in the game are absurdly large.

[-] USSBurritoTruck@startrek.website 4 points 10 months ago

I think the shot we see of it against the Enterprise E in "First Contact" doesn't help with the perception of the scale of the ship.

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[-] sj_zero@lotide.fbxl.net 5 points 10 months ago

Interesting thing is that everything shrunk after the Galaxy Class.

I'm thinking it's because the galaxy class was a relic of Star Fleet's golden age. Most of their enemies were either allies or quiet, they started to think this little war thing was beneath them and turned their flagship into a luxury cruise liner.

I wonder what post-Wolf 359 Picard would say if he met Season 1 Picard. Hell, I wonder what post dominion war Picard would say to both of them?

[-] VE3MAL@lemmy.radio 3 points 10 months ago

It mirrored the contemporary idea of the "End of History", where all the existational crises were done with, the federation (was basically moving into a time of refinement rather than having to worry that the experiment might still utterly and completely fail. TNG was basically one long, slow lesson of why that was a flawed notion. You don't build a cruise liner, fill it with families, and then intentionally send it into the kind of peril that regularly befitted the Enterprise D. In retrospect, it was completely ridiculous.

[-] sj_zero@lotide.fbxl.net 1 points 10 months ago

I appreciate the link. I've seen the phrase "The end of History" before, but after reading about it, I can't help but think the phrase has a quaint "Manifest destiny" vibe to it, people making some really powerful proclamations they'll regret later.

[-] GraniteM@lemmy.world 10 points 10 months ago

Tough little ship!

[-] Damage@feddit.it 10 points 10 months ago

Little?

[-] grue@lemmy.world 30 points 10 months ago

Realizing that the Discovery is longer than any of these ships really puts shit into perspective

All it puts into perspective is how much the nu-trek folks (both Disco and JJ-Trek) lost the plot on ship size. It makes no sense that either the Discovery or the Kelvin-timeline Enterprise would be significantly different in size from the TOS Enterprise.

(This doubly pisses me off because I play Star Trek Online, where the devs implemented canon ship sizes and the Kelvin Enterprise stands out as being stupidly out of scale with the rest of the game.)

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[-] Basilisk@mtgzone.com 23 points 10 months ago

I mean, I do like so-called "Nu-Trek", but at the end of the day this is kind of a tail-wagging-the-dog response. You can explain just about anything in lore after the fact, but when the rubber hits the road the real explanation is that someone in a Hollywood design team said "We want it to be BIGGER," and then left it to the people who cared enough to find a reason why it would be justified.

Far easier to just suspend your disbelief a bit further, I think. Yeah, Discovery is weirdly big. It also flies through space by a man infused with a giant tardigrade's DNA sending the whole ship from place to place through willpower and a mushroom trip. If you can accept the second one, it kind of feels like the fact that the ship is a larj boye isn't that much of a stretch.

[-] Tavarin@lemmy.ca 6 points 10 months ago

It also flies through space by a man infused with a giant tardigrade's DNA sending the whole ship from place to place through willpower and a mushroom trip

Is this... is this Dune?

I have not yet watched Star Trek Discovery, so this description just reads like Dune and the good old spice.

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[-] Basilisk@mtgzone.com 8 points 10 months ago

I guess I just fundamentally don't agree with the need for a "backsplanation". I am of the camp that I'm totally OK with the Klingons looking different in TMP than in TOS because it wasn't a 1960s TV show anymore and they wanted the aliens to look more alien, and that's all the explanation that I need. The Enterprise is different between SNW and its appearance in Discovery because it's a different show and they wanted to tweak its appearance some to make it more of a "hero" set. Spock and Sarek never mentioned his having an adoptive daughter/sister in spite of being in two series and a half dozen movies because Michael didn't exist until Discovery and the writers thought it would make for an interesting tie-in.

I have enjoyed the series since TNG in the 80s, and I'd love for it to come true some time in the future. But it's a TV show, it's not a history book. It's fine if there are inconsistencies, none of it is real anyway.

[-] VE3MAL@lemmy.radio 2 points 10 months ago

God the Klingon thing was silly. Do we need an explanation as to why the TOS ship had plastic, 1960s themed furniture? Do we need an explanation for improved camera resolution over the years? Why did we need a silly explanation for the improvement in makeup artistry so many decades later? And the explanation doesn't even work. Genetics don't work like that. It's taking themselves too seriously. Either ignore it, or hang a lantern on it with an inside joke once, and be done with it.

[-] eryops@dice.camp 2 points 10 months ago

@VE3MAL @Basilisk Warf's explanation to Sisko in that TOS time travel episode was so perfect. Nothing else was needed.

It's like Lucas making a whole Solo movie to explain the Kessel Run and how he was "right" all this time.

[-] Basilisk@mtgzone.com 1 points 10 months ago

The ENT mini-arc "explaining" the difference between Klingons "then" and "now" was absolutely unnecessary, but I do have to admit to finding it cute that the reason why Klingons became smooth-foreheaded instead of bumpy-foreheaded turned out to be a combination of all three of Bashir's guesses in that scene.

[-] constantokra@lemmy.one 8 points 10 months ago

Facts and memes. A wonderful combination.

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[-] constantokra@lemmy.one 5 points 10 months ago

I wasn't a fan of discovery at first, but by the time Pike and Spock came in it was obvious they had gotten some people involved who cared about the universe. I feel like it has recontextualized TOS, and added a lot of depth to the characters we've known for the longest time. And they've done a fantastic job of making the shows intelligible to new people, while adding heaps of depth, backstory and context for the rest of us with the simplest things, like Picard holding his flute at the beginning of season 3.

People can completely ignore the new stuff if they like, but I like that they're taking some risks. The alternative is what we got with the last star wars trilogy. Perfect casting, fantastic acting, excellent world building, and a story that meandered, found the safest route, and ended up not leaving much of its own mark. Or anyway, that was my opinion.

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[-] aethervision@universeodon.com 4 points 10 months ago

@Stamets I thought naming the lead engineer after the foremost authority on mushrooms showed a remarkable amount of commitment to the utterly bonkers tech. There’s a ‘anything can happen day” quality to the show that really helped the 60 year old franchise.

[-] Prouvaire@kbin.social 3 points 10 months ago

name any show other than Lower Decks or Strange New Worlds that had a good first couple seasons

TOS. 😎

[-] constantokra@lemmy.one 1 points 10 months ago

Yes. And the characters. They have depth, and it feels like you know them, which makes putting lgbtq and neurodivergent characters on the screen that much better. I understand their motivations, and i'm autistic so that's a real accomplishment.

I'm not caught up on all the shows, because i don't always have the energy for the active watching that something like Picard warrants, but they've managed to make even something as silly as lower decks have character development, depth, and add a completely different view of starfleet. Like, the whole chest alien conspiracy from TNG isn't so wild when you see that there's a wide range of people in starfleet that's not so obvious from following around their absolute best and brightest.

[-] Tar_alcaran@sh.itjust.works 12 points 10 months ago

Huh, somehow I always imagined the Sovereign class to be bigger than the Galaxy...

[-] maegul@lemmy.ml 12 points 10 months ago

Enterprise D ... still the ship for me ... I'd swoon after those curves in any quadrant.

[-] youCanCallMeDragon@lemmy.world 10 points 10 months ago

Need the Orville in this

[-] Aesculapius@kbin.social 10 points 10 months ago

It would be nice to see the NX-01 in there

[-] thessnake03@lemmy.world 5 points 10 months ago

Throw the -J in there, just for the hell of it

[-] deepthaw@lemmy.sdf.org 6 points 10 months ago

I stand by my head canon that Galaxy class ships are equipped to deposit saucers on planets to establish starter colonies. It's already basically a floating city in space.

[-] ramble81@lemm.ee 6 points 10 months ago

Did not realize that the Intrepid class was that much smaller than a Sovereign class. I though it was maybe slightly smaller.

[-] SteleTrovilo@beehaw.org 4 points 10 months ago

I have an inexplicable fondness for the Excelsior class. Both NX-2000 and NCC-1701-B are fun to watch. I would've liked to see more of them.

(I know there's a bunch in the Dominion War battle scenes, but never for very long.)

[-] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works 3 points 10 months ago

Pictured against a sparkly holiday jumper worn by your mum.

[-] Johanno@feddit.de -1 points 10 months ago

You forgot one

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