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cross-posted from: https://lemm.ee/post/61869260
After the first year, you can choose to continue your subscription and support Sailfish OS development further. Even without renewal, your device will continue to function, but future software updates and commercial component upgrades will not be available.
This worries me a lot. Pay for updates is not a consumer friendly model.
1 year planned obsolescence is even worse than Apple
Weird statement since Apple support their devices for 7 years after launch.
1 year is worse than basically every major mobile device manufacturer, even ASUS where they give you two years then the device will never get updates again.
This is get one year then pay a subscription and maybe they’ll keep doing updates. I couldn’t find a commitment on their site.
Weird statement since Apple support their devices for 7 years after launch.
And then they make your device slower after 3 to make you buy a new one
That has been rectified in 2017. iPhones these days do not slow down with new software updates any more than any other phone. They do throttle performance, if the battery is degraded to much but this is both communicated clearly and easily reversed by replacing the battery (even if you do it yourself or have it done by a third party, instead of paying apple’s admittedly high price).
Apple have plenty of anti-consumer behavior in other places. Treading around on an issue that is older than any currently supported iPhone, however, instead on focusing on current issues (like lack of app sideloading anywhere but in the EU, for example) is not conducive to actually getting Apple (or other corporations) to change their behavior. This battle has already been won.
iOS underclocks the CPU when battery condition is poor / doesn’t hold charge very long.
You can turn off the throttling in settings or just get a battery replacement.
Is it really that bad? Software updates cost money to develop, they've gotta get paid for somehow. Either it gets front loaded into the price of the device, or it gets dribbled in via optional pay for updates. At least with the later you can opt out if the updates are not providing value to you.
I'm mostly referring to feature updates, rather than security updates. Security updates should not be paywalled.
People want new competitors but want someone else to finance their effort to join a market with a duopoly in place.
Kinda funny too, they would complain about the lack of support if it was all free and updates happened whenever the dev felt like working on it.
At least with the subscription model, they have a clear business plan for sustainment. Other phones often have no plan (cheapo phones with no support at all) or make claims for support, but with no clearly set aside funds, its not possible to know if they can actually provide the support.
I didn't find anything about security updates on the website so that worries me even more.
I now software dev cost a lot of time, effort and money ( being a dev myself ) but they are a lot of way that are far better than keeping updates from user. IodéOS and Murena being two examples.
They ask users to drop 60€/year for potential features updates. Even if this include security updates this is very expensive.
IodeOS and Murena are both repackaging upstream android projects (/e/ and lineage), so they get a lot of the work done for them for free, Jolla is doing the entire phone OS, so there is a large scope difference.
I personally dont see any issue with feature updates being paywalled, as long as the security updates and bug fixes are free for the supported lifetime of the device. I buy a device based on the features it has today, not the promised future updated features, so missing future updates, or having to pay for them doesn't really matter.
Also, arguably, with the subscription model, you can always just cancel the subscription, wait and see what the updates bring, and decide later to resubscribe if the features matter to you, so you dont need to pay $60 each year unless you really want to be on the bleeding edge of features.
i rather like the subscription. then you pay for the exact amount you need.
you still pay for it on other phones but you have a limit like 3-7 years. like who uses a iphone for 7 years. you pay for it but what if the phone breaks after 2 years. wasted money.
i rather have a cheaper phone and pay for updates the duration i use it. i mean they could just slap an extra 300 dollar on the phone for 4 years updates, but most of my phones break after 2 years and that would be 60 dollar on the subscription
Also means you can cancel the subscription if money is tight one year, and then resubscribe on a following year when money is no object.
You don't have to use sailfish, but sailfish has been around for years for those willing to pay for a subscription.
Aren't these guys closed source? IIRC they are infringing on the kernel's license by not releasing it opensource. Last time I wanted to buy from them, I couldn't find any source code anywhere.
@jolla@techhub.social please explain?
Also the Linux license does not require you to open source your product, this is why a huge chunk of Google Android is closed source and distributed separately from its open source components.
You only need to open-source modifications and kernel side code (drivers, etc). There is a clearly defined boundary in the license (syscall exception) that makes it crystal clear that proprietary applications can use the kernel as long as they are only touching the user-space API headers
The user interface is closed-source while everything else is open.
Have you found the code? I searched their website and came up empty.
Have you tried GitHub, lol?
Did you find it on github?
Interesting. I have the original Jolla from 2013 and it was interesting back then too but didn't catch on