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[–] Barley_Man@sopuli.xyz 8 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Spending money on families hasn't been shown to help in any way whatsoever in increasing the birth rate. You have countries with close to free day care and generous monthly child subsidies with the same or even much lower fertility rate as countries that give just about nothing at all. I still support these kinds of policies just for the sake of helping families and their kids, but doing it for the only purpose of helping the fertility rate is futile. Honestly I don't think the government can do much at all to help the fertility rate. It's a cultural issue first and foremost. And the government can't (and I think shouldn't!) do much to change the culture of our society. You see people living in poverty with 9 kids just because they belong to a certain religious or ethnic group who values children above all else. That's the main issue. How important is children to the culture? Is it prestigious to be a dad or a mom? Is personal success measured in how you've built your family or is success measured in how much money you make?

[–] SGforce@lemmy.ca 7 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (4 children)

It's a work culture issue. People need free time to socialise meaningfully. Notice how Iceland and France are as high or higher than Colombia?

[–] Barley_Man@sopuli.xyz 6 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Latin American countries have recently had a collapse in birth rate, even since that chart from 2017 was made. Colombia has dropped to 1,2 in 2023. Fertility rates are collapsing almost everywhere and I think it's because of how globalisation is spreading anti natalist culture around the globe. It's so drastic and so consistent in nearly every developed country.

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[–] pineapple@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 month ago (1 children)

They'll need a population boost after Trump deny's immigrants entrance into America.

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[–] qbus@lemmy.world 8 points 1 month ago (4 children)

$5k in a Roth IRA in the sp500 at birth is the only way that it is worth anything.

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[–] pyre@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago (5 children)

daycare costs $2k a month? are they training the kids to be astronauts?

[–] Tja@programming.dev 7 points 1 month ago (1 children)

To be honest, childcare is expensive. You can only have so many kids per worker, you need to pay rent for a big space, utilities, etc. In a big city it adds up fast. I'm sure some of it goes to some CEO's Yacht, but even at cost it would be expensive.

The reason it's free/cheap in Europe is because it's subsidized from taxes. Same as universities and Healthcare.

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[–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 7 points 1 month ago

With the tariffs that hardly helps.

[–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 7 points 1 month ago

They're not making policy for people who can do math.

[–] ZagamTheVile@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago (3 children)

As an atheist baby-eater, sign me up. I could have a lovely dinner party for $5K on Hallowen every year and not have to find a main course.

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[–] 4am@lemm.ee 6 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

instead of DEPENDING on GOVERNMENT HANDOUTS new parents should be GRATEFUL someone is WILLING to be GENEROUS and provide them with such GOODWILL. America is WINNING again under PRESIDENT TRUMP

@BigMacHole@lemm.ee am I doing it right?

[–] Elkot@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago (2 children)

It's free to give birth here

[–] VitoRobles@lemmy.today 6 points 1 month ago

It's free to also commit murder.

It's the part afterwards that might maybe kinda be the issue.

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[–] peteyestee@feddit.org 6 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Adoption services are going to go wild! Hospitals too with infant detox programs. It's the new plasma!

[–] pugsnroses77@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 month ago

hospital bill will likely be 10x that

[–] als@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 1 month ago

This is such a classic fascist play, get your bingo cards out ladies

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