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[–] altphoto@lemmy.today 12 points 1 hour ago

Having a kid will cost you much more than 100grand. Giving you 5k to fuck is such an insult.

[–] Stern@lemmy.world 19 points 2 hours ago

The type of person who would think 5k for having a kid is a great deal is exactly the type of person conservatives would bitch about having kids and leeching all the other government resources.

[–] Formfiller@lemmy.world 34 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 59 minutes ago) (1 children)

They just cut head start, slashed medicade(51% of us babies are born on this program), no medicade no pediatric care for your baby either, cut hud, slashed the department of education, blocked student loan forgiveness, are dismantling the aca preventative care mandate, gutting worker protections, canceling child labor laws, laid off 275,000 workers and destroyed their livelihood and tanked the economy ……yea the birth rate is going to plummet. 5k lol doesn’t even cover a fraction of the utter devastation coming to American families from these moronic policies. Who in their right mind would want to bring a child into this racist sexist tech bro oligarchy?

[–] GenXLiberal@lemmy.world 12 points 3 hours ago

And all to fund tax cuts for the wealthy - who don’t need them.

[–] pyre@lemmy.world 6 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

daycare costs $2k a month? are they training the kids to be astronauts?

[–] porous_grey_matter@lemmy.ml 5 points 42 minutes ago* (last edited 41 minutes ago) (1 children)

No, just extracting the maximum possible amount of profit, it's the American way. And 2k is the low end.

[–] Agent641@lemmy.world 1 points 18 minutes ago

$2k gets you Jimmy "Boots" McClusky, on day release from the work farm.

[–] peekingduck@lemm.ee 13 points 3 hours ago

It really is a bummer to have such a legitimately retarded man just riding this country into the earths crust all Slim Pickens style.

[–] The_Caretaker@lemm.ee 6 points 2 hours ago

Wow, two months rent for having a baby. That should fix it.

[–] ERROR_100_000_100@infosec.pub 34 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

That's a weird way of wording "You'll only have to pay 95K out of your 100K bill of your hospital stay for giving birth"

5K PER MONTH and paying for the full hospital bill would be a great place start. But of course, they aren't really pro-life to begin with.

Pro-Birth =/= Pro-Life

They don't care what happens after birth.

[–] _stranger_@lemmy.world 9 points 4 hours ago

In a lot of places 5K a month covers daycare, and not much more

[–] thatKamGuy@sh.itjust.works 16 points 4 hours ago

Based on data presented here: https://ifstudies.org/blog/the-true-cost-of-raising-a-child

It takes a minimum of $200K USD to raise a child from birth to 18; which works out to ~$1K/mo.

If the Government were serious in wanting to address the aging population issue, the best way to tackle it would be to provide family funding at this level for a family’s first ~3 children.

Would it be expensive? Absolutely it would be in the initial term - but the increase in economic activity would arguably more than cover it in the long run.

Would it lead to inflation? Not if the costs were derived from taxes due to the government (which currently get dodged), rather than through national debt.

Would it lead to a positive outcome for the nation? Arguably yes, but there may also be unintended consequences to the negative. Human greed knows no bounds, after all.

[–] KelvarIW@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 3 hours ago (2 children)

Free daycare and free healthcare for people under 18 are two social services that would only benefit parents. How about free college tuition moving forward?

This is just a sad attempt making an exclusive version of establishment Dem stimulus checks...

[–] psx_crab@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 hour ago

Idk, it seems like US doesn't even have the basic shit going on, any of that is a good news.

[–] papertowels@mander.xyz 3 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago) (1 children)

Additionally, government supplemented/paid for day care is the only way to pay the teachers fairly. Given places often aim for 4 students:1 teacher, you already have a hard cap of 4*monthly fees for salary for that one teacher. I pay 1.2k/ month, so a teacher can get a max of 4.8k/month if EVERYTHING went to them, which we all know it doesn't due to taxes, administrative staff, utilities, facility fees, etc.

However, if they raise fees, they price people out of a much-needed service at a time when folks typically haven't reached their max earning potential yet.

[–] fuzzzerd@programming.dev 2 points 2 hours ago

And folks wonder why parents these days are so old. Earning potential to afford daycare in the first place.

[–] Hayduke@lemmy.world 78 points 7 hours ago (4 children)

That won’t even cover half of the (insured) cost of even the smoothest birth with my plan, and I work for a multi-billion dollar company.

This country, man. Having traveled abroad a bit, you start to realize how tunnel-visioned people stateside can get. Don’t even realize how much they/we are getting fleeced.

[–] stebo02@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 39 minutes ago* (last edited 39 minutes ago)

giving birth in a hospital costs $10k, after insurance payback?

[–] raltoid@lemmy.world 16 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

Having traveled abroad a bit, you start to realize how tunnel-visioned people stateside can get. Don’t even realize how much they/we are getting fleeced.

It's the classic of someone having to visit a doctor while in Europe. And they're always shocked at how cheap it is in comparison. Even people who know it's much cheaper tend to think it's like 50% , not 99-100% less. I had an emergency room visit with blood and urine testing, painkiller injection, private exam room, etc.. It took a few hours and was about $25 that you could pay at a machine on your way out.

[–] ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works 15 points 5 hours ago

I was gonna day $5k is just a handout to insurance companies for just the birth of the baby.

Which is, well, the end of Republicans giving a shit about babies and children.

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[–] boreengreen@lemm.ee 17 points 6 hours ago (2 children)

My personsl hypothesis is that when couples are living in times of prosperity or growth, they can see a future and can comfortably grow a pension, then they are likely to consider having kids. This also happens to be the time they are getting a share of the wealth society generates.

In recession and uncertain times, couples tend to hold of on getting kids, and if they do get kids, they do it much later in life, when they have saved some money.

Of course couples need free time as well. If both parents need to work full time, it's gonna be a lot less palatable to have kids.

I think the global low fertility is the problem of infinite growth self correcting.

[–] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 7 points 4 hours ago

No matter the state of the economy, if you look at birthrate stats in various countries, it goes down with women rights and access to contraception. People just don't want kids.

[–] Mouselemming@sh.itjust.works 9 points 5 hours ago

You're right, when they have the choice, which is also why the Reich Wing wants to limit abortion and contraception and LGBT+ (non-accidentally-reproductive) relationships.

[–] boreengreen@lemm.ee 22 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago) (1 children)

This has been tried elsewhere I believe. It ends up being a gift for those who can afford kids anyway, and does not incease the number of couples deciding to have children. A small gift for upper middle class.

Better wealth distribution however; that works.

[–] jimmux@programming.dev 13 points 6 hours ago

It was done in Australia quite a few years back and widely mocked. There was a bit of a bump in "XBox babies", but it was mostly from the kind of people who don't understand that a one-off cash bonus spent on a bigger TV doesn't cover the costs of raising a kid.

That is Trump's demographic, but he's being very optimistic if he thinks these kids will be going to the polls while he's still alive.

[–] stupidcasey@lemmy.world 52 points 8 hours ago (5 children)

Better Idea, let's fix the economy so people can afford to have Babies.

Or fix the world so we want to have Babies.

Or lower the price of housing so we have a place to put babies.

Or open forced breeding camps, shanty towns and and slave labor...oh wait.

[–] psx_crab@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 hour ago

Or open forced breeding camps, shanty towns and and slave labor...oh wait.

Mmm yes, Borrasca.

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[–] deegeese@sopuli.xyz 157 points 9 hours ago (5 children)

They chose to use a stock photo of a million dollars.

$5000 is only 2 and a half of those bundles of $20’s.

These people are trying to run propaganda for Trump, they can’t even keep their fascist bullshit straight.

[–] stebo02@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 45 minutes ago* (last edited 42 minutes ago)

Is that a million? They're 20 dollar bills in packs of what looks like it might be 100, so $2000 per pack. There's about 50 of those, so $100.000 in total. Maybe I underestimated the pack size and number of packs and it's actually $400.000, but I think it's unlikely to be a million. (I still agree with the rest of your comment of course)

[–] adarza@lemmy.ca 65 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

but when you look through maga glasses, that's what you see when a black single mom of 2 receives a wic voucher for a couple gallons of milk.

[–] SavageCreation@lemmy.world 11 points 6 hours ago

You see, its not one black mom, its the millions of moms getting subsidies!

Lets ignore the part where we somewhy have a million moms needing subsidies.

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[–] pappabosley@lemm.ee 8 points 5 hours ago (2 children)

We had this in Australia for a while, where there was no hospital costs for birth, and almost 20 years ago, so it was a considerable help. The conservatives started claiming people were having babies just to get the money and then spending it on big TV's and other luxuries.

[–] ShaggySnacks@lemmy.myserv.one 6 points 4 hours ago

Sounds like classic Conservative projection.

[–] Taleya@aussie.zone 6 points 5 hours ago

Which is hilarious because iirc it was a fucking Howard policy

[–] nathanjent@programming.dev 13 points 6 hours ago

After he rolls this out he'll start pushing to drop the child tax credit arguing, "they already get so much investment up front. They're so greedy."

[–] salvaria@lemmy.blahaj.zone 138 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago) (1 children)

WE CAN'T DO THAT, IT'S LIKE PUNISHING THE MOMS WHO ALREADY HAD CHILDREN!!!! /s

[–] Donkter@lemmy.world 17 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago) (2 children)

This is literally going to be an argument if people start proposing free daycare/child care :/

[–] salvaria@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 4 hours ago

It's already been done to college students - that's the parallel I was trying to draw

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[–] Ledericas@lemm.ee 1 points 3 hours ago

Putin did the same thing, he aware 16k equivalent for having 10+ children .

[–] dangling_cat@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Well, in a couple of years, some countries more than 50% of the population will be retired. Even a perfect democracy would not pass a law to improve young people’s lives so they can have time and money to have kids.

Just like in a perfect democracy, no affordable housing law will be approved because 66% of the population are homeowners.

Its unsolvable.

[–] KelvarIW@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Only if every person votes solely in their own immediate selfish interests. A collective mindset is necessary for a functional democratic society.

[–] SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org 2 points 1 hour ago

Correct, a "perfect democracy" requires empathy.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 50 points 9 hours ago (7 children)

Clinton Floats $5,000 Baby Bond

~ September 28, 2007

It's nice to know these two are still in touch.

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