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cross-posted from: https://sh.itjust.works/post/37022405

This is a carrier in the USA (T-Mobile).

I did a quick search for the other 2 carriers using the term "[Carrier Name] Family Tracking" and Verizon and AT&T also seems to have it.

And according to https://www.t-mobile.com/support/plans-features/t-mobile-familywhere-app, it says:

FamilyWhere uses geolocation data from the T-Mobile network and is not affected by changes to device location settings.

So it appears that its using cell tower triangulation. Turning on Airplane Mode should stop it (assuming there isn't a separate tracking app on your phone)

Oh Wow, What a wonderful tool for abusive spouses and abusive parents. And telecom companies are making money off of it. ๐Ÿ™ƒ

TLDR: Its a good idea to get your own separate cellular plan.

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[โ€“] MoonlightFox@lemmy.world 1 points 57 minutes ago

I have been thinking about how or if I would track my own children. I do not have any at the moment though.

I think the only system that would work with tracking and still be ethical is a system with accountability.

They need to know that I would never check unless there was an emergency. So we'd have to have some sort of immutable log that they can check regularly. So they know if I checked their location. It should not be like a panopticon. in which they don't know if the parent is checking their location or not. That changes behaviour. Even with the trust that I would not check, just me having the option would alter behaviour probably.

Youth and kids are independent individuals with their own rights to privacy, autonomy, right to select their own friends and acquaintences, right to freedom of expression and movement, right to make mistakes, etc. If they are thought right and have a high trust bond with their parents, preferably with little judgement, then it will probably be fine and most issues can be solved.

[โ€“] NightShot@lemmy.world 8 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

I share my location with my wife just in case I end up in a ditch dying while riding my motorcycle.

[โ€“] prex@aussie.zone 6 points 6 hours ago (2 children)

I have very mixed feelings about androids crash detection. The personal privacy is fine but - fucking google.

[โ€“] Xanza@lemm.ee 0 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

You supposedly hate Google, yet have an android... The fuck is wrong with you?

[โ€“] EngineerGaming@feddit.nl 2 points 1 hour ago

There are several major degoogled Android projects, while Linux on phones is nowhere near mature enough for mainstream use yet.

[โ€“] NightShot@lemmy.world 4 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

Didn't know there existed a crash detection function. I just share my location to her all the time. She does the same. Yeah I agree but I rather let my wife relax than not knowing. My point is that not all loses of privacy have to be bad.

[โ€“] EngineerGaming@feddit.nl 2 points 1 hour ago

Especially since you can selfhost the server for location sharing!

[โ€“] Majestic@lemmy.ml 17 points 20 hours ago

This is going to get DV victims killed. At least on phone tracking like iPhone's family sharing makes it clear it's happening and often has a way of disabling it when you make your final run for it allowing you to keep your phone.

[โ€“] corvus@lemmy.ml 16 points 22 hours ago

Your toxic partner: "What were you doing at that cafe at 5:42 PM"

[โ€“] PowerCrazy@lemmy.ml 64 points 1 day ago (3 children)

This is a useful feature. If you are in an abusive household, then yes you should have as much financial separation as possible. For those that are in a happy and functional family with kids that you want to allow freedom for, this provides a measure of safety if you need it for potential emergency's or if they aren't answering the phone or whatever.

[โ€“] tiramichu@lemm.ee 2 points 1 hour ago

If you are in a healthy relationship, you can do this voluntarily and for free using functionality built into the OS or third party apps, without paying your network operator $10/mo

[โ€“] lightnsfw@reddthat.com 22 points 1 day ago

then yes you should have as much financial separation as possible.

Yeah that's a thing people in abusive households frequently have.

[โ€“] Clent@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 23 hours ago

This is a problem even without this. The account owner can get lists of all outbound calls of their victim's line if they share a plan.

The fcc requires some remediation if a domestic abuse order is submitted but obviously that's at the far end of the abuse cycle.

The issue here can be traced all the way to phone companies pushing the very concept of family plans because it makes churn more difficult.

An abuser can shut off their victim's phone line on a whim with convenient online interfaces.

Phone companies don't treat their customers will respect because their is no requirement. No one of adult age should be subjected to any of these controls simply because someone else pays.

The health industry has rules around this. The moment a child hits 18, their claims disappear and the parent loses access to medical records.

There is absolutely no reason phones should not have the same restrictions but the industry lacks the will and will until the fcc or other three letter agency forces the issue.

Not a new thing, and I can definitely see good uses for this information. What they should have done is made it so that the one being tracked gets a log and real time notification any time someone is tracking them. This would alleviate some of the toxic spying behavior simply by making it transparent rather than covert.

[โ€“] pineapplelover@lemm.ee 9 points 22 hours ago

Mmm I can see absolutely no way where they misuse this information

[โ€“] J52@lemmy.nz 8 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

Daylight robbery... Who's still this mentally deprived to get another subscription based anything?

If you want to install free tracking tools, you'll need consent or try to guess the lockscreen password to try to install it covertly.

With this, its doesn't require consent, since most families are on the same family plan.

Only abusers would use this, since a normal person who actually cares about a family member's safety would just ask them to install a tracking app voluntarily and be transparent about it.

Its tracking either way, but doing so voluntarily is way less creepy and also free.

Most modern Android and iOS allows you to share your locations for free via Google and Apple "Find My Phone" networks.

[โ€“] LiamTheBox@lemmy.ml 4 points 22 hours ago (1 children)
[โ€“] dzso@lemmy.world 4 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

I'm sure that the "consent" is part of the terms and conditions when you sign up for a line on a family plan. Not that it's genuinely informed consent, or that people know what they agreed to, but technically...

[โ€“] Undertaker@feddit.org 1 points 13 hours ago

Consent coming from those, that did not sign Tte contract obviously...

[โ€“] DieserTypMatthias@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Find My and Google's device locator service exist, they're free and work without a carrier. Ik they're not that private, but you save money at least and they're more private than your carrier.

/s

[โ€“] ReakDuck@lemmy.ml 1 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

But you need geolocation. This, at least, can track you scarily accurate. Cannot escape it except you have more money depending on which situation. (Like parents giving it for free to the child, so the only escape is to either have secretly a second phone with own carrier plan or be open and purchase your own carrier plan by gaslighting its needed)

[โ€“] DieserTypMatthias@lemmy.ml 3 points 9 hours ago

Or maybe a prepaid SIM card where you top up your credit.

[โ€“] ShellMonkey@lemmy.socdojo.com 12 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

This isn't new, cell tower triangulation is a fact of the network operation and is part of how your signal gets handed off between towers as you travel. Airplane wouldn't do anything unless it where to actually disable the sim entirely, and functionally even that doesn't cut it in the USA given that a device without one can still connect to emergency services via any tower in reach.

This is just the carrier giving a customer the data that would already exist, for a price, which I thought T-Mo actually used to give for free...

[โ€“] corvus@lemmy.ml 13 points 1 day ago

The carrier can track a phone without sim card but it's not the case if you turn on airplane mode. The whole point of airplane mode is to prevent the phone from emitting any signal to avoid interference with critical aircraft instruments. I don't see any company risking to circumvent such a critical security feature, it would be easily verifiable.

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