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The Privacy Iceberg

This is original content. AI was not used anywhere except for the bottom right image, simply because I could not find one similar enough to what I needed. This took around 6 hours to make.

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(I tried my best)

The background is an iceberg with 6 levels, denoting 6 different levels of privacy.

The tip of the iceberg is titled "The Brainwashed" with a quote beside it that says "I have nothing to hide". The logos depicted in this section are:

The surface section of the iceberg is titled "As seen on TV" with a quote beside it that says "This video is sponsored by...". The logos depicted in this section are:

An underwater section of the iceberg is titled "The Beginner" with a quote beside it that says "I don't like hackers and spying". The logos depicted in this section are:

A lower section of the iceberg is titled "The Privacy Enthusiast" with a quote beside it that says "I have nothing I want to show". The logos depicted in this section are:

An even lower section of the iceberg is titled "The Privacy Activist" with a quote beside it that says "Privacy is a human right". The logos depicted in this section are:

The lowest portion of the iceberg is titled "The Ghost". There is a quote beside it that has been intentionally redacted. The images depicted in this section are:

  • A cancel sign over a mobile phone, symbolizing "no electronics"
  • An illustration of a log cabin, symbolizing "living in a log cabin in the woods"
  • A picture of gold bars, symbolizing "paying only in gold"
  • A picture of a death certificate, symbolizing "faking your own death"
  • An AI generated picture of a person wearing a black hoodie, a baseball cap, a face mask, and reflective sunglasses, symbolizing "hiding ones identity in public"

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[–] prinzmegahertz@lemm.ee 34 points 1 week ago (8 children)

What’s the issue with steam? I thought the epic game store was the one actively spying on your device

[–] Broken@lemmy.ml 13 points 1 week ago

Steam has telemetry. They gather a ton of data on you. What details, how they use it, and how secure it is I can't answer, but it's clear that it's happening.

[–] arschfidel@discuss.tchncs.de 12 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I could also imagine DRM, though not directly privacy related, being a thing. Like the issues of freedom and openness are probably also important to many people who value privacy and might therefore prefer GOG or something over Steam.

Edit: I see someone else mentioned this already: https://lemmy.world/comment/16903223

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[–] utopiah@lemmy.ml 33 points 1 week ago (8 children)

On browsers, as you put Chromium then also put Firefox or deMozillaed Firefox e.g. WaterFox.

I'd put Brave back to the 2nd layer due to relying on Chromium and being heavily marketed while gathering data for its crypto scheme. I'd also put Firefox on the 2nd or 3rd layer.

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[–] eee@lemmy.dbzer0.com 29 points 1 week ago

Thank you so, so much for the transcription, appreciated!

[–] comfy@lemmy.ml 26 points 1 week ago

Oh, am I that far gone?

spoilerI don't see Qubes, Whonix or Tails on there.

[–] moseschrute@lemmy.ml 25 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (7 children)

Weird how Apple and iMessage are not in the same category. How do distrust apple’s privacy claims but trust iMessage?

[–] edel@lemmy.ml 13 points 1 week ago

True. Apple would need a category on its own, but if i have to choose would place it on "As seen on TV".

It is fairly private and they quite give a fight about maintaining that status. There are no cases I am aware off they comply to open the system for authorities publicly and if so, they do not claim encryption anymore (as per UK.) Now... the key word is publicly; If I were a zealous top intelligence agency I would not force Apple to break an account for me so to obtain evidence on an individual so I can present it to a judge... for me Apple or Protonmail (or any other popular encrypted service really) would be far more valuable a place where I quietly could obtain intel on tens of thousands of targets and with that find other ways to find evidence if need be. It is a good sacrifice for the sustainability of the scheme.

Of course, this is just a thought and no evidence has been brought up. Apple is a large company and some whistleblower could easily popup if that were the case... yet again, having the right tight team is easy to keep it undercover, specially in a closed sourced software. The fact that the US is eyeing so many encrypted SaaS but Apple, with its omnipresence reach, is almost always left alone is a bit odd.

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[–] jagged_circle@feddit.nl 25 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)

I give workshops on privacy. I always tell them that if they get nothing else out of my presentation, its that they should use a password manager.

Honestly I think keepass should be beginner. That comes first before everything else.

Also I think Tor Browser should come before VPNs. Its free and easier to use than VPNs (for when you want to google something secret and don't want to be tracked. Most beginners are selective like that)

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[–] jagged_circle@feddit.nl 25 points 1 week ago (12 children)
[–] misteloct@lemmy.dbzer0.com 20 points 1 week ago

That's how amnesiac it is.

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[–] edel@lemmy.ml 22 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (7 children)

Pretty good!! I agree with 95%.

Loved the "As seen on TV" category!

I agree that Tuta is more secure than ProtonMail.

Some are blended like Tor, that should be in Activist if used in secured computer.

~~Was not aware of the existence of Coincarp (logo by GrapheneOS). Is a crypto price tracker used by Activists? I left crypto a couple of years ago but though Activists just don´t trade much and stick for the long haul and use Monero for purchases.~~

[–] Charger8232@lemmy.ml 13 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Was not aware of the existence of Coincarp (logo by GrapheneOS). Is a crypto price tracker used by Activists? I left crypto a couple of years ago but though Activists just don´t trade much and stick for the long haul and use Monero for purchases.

The logos next to it are Vanadium, which is a web browser made by GrapheneOS, and Aegis Authenticator, which is a time-based one-time password (TOTP) application.

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[–] rekabis@lemmy.ca 21 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Any Chromium-based browser in anything but the top-most panel is a non-starter with their abandonment of Manifest v2. Manifest v3 seriously cripples any Chromium-based browser’s ability to be secure, as extensions like uBlock Origin are no longer compatible by design.

Google has it’s ad business to protect, after all.

[–] Charger8232@lemmy.ml 13 points 1 week ago (6 children)

Not all Chromium-based browsers are bad. Browsers such as Vanadium or Trivalent are very secure, and discourage the use of extensions altogether due to privacy and security risks. These browsers come with ad blocking preinstalled.

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[–] MajesticElevator@lemmy.zip 20 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (21 children)

Sadly, using small niche VPNs that might be more trusted makes you stand out more. It's pretty unusual to have a Mullvad user on your server

They don't rotate IPs as well so a lot of them are blacklisted... and don't offer port forwarding anymore

I wish they could change IPs reguarly and add port forwarding back :-( - I would happily pay for their service again

Because 5€ for their current service is overpriced

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[–] box_ebony@lemmy.ml 20 points 1 week ago

f-droid? the guardian project?

[–] howler@lemmy.zip 18 points 1 week ago

Impressive, an academic grade meme.

You, sir/madam, are an artist and a scholar

[–] kn0wmad1c@programming.dev 18 points 1 week ago (5 children)

The problem with mullvad is a lot of its IPs are flagged as bots or denied around the web. Is there a good VPN that will still give access to most of the web?

[–] neon_nova@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 1 week ago (13 children)

I’ve never had that issue with Mullvad unless it was for a streaming app.

Sometimes I get detected and it makes me do a cloud flare “I’m not a robot” page.

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[–] infinitesunrise@slrpnk.net 18 points 1 week ago

Thanks a ton OP for linking to all the tools and services in description, this is an awesome resource!

[–] vordalack@lemm.ee 16 points 1 week ago (5 children)

This is a modern art masterpiece. I've starred at it for hours while installing Arch Linux on my brand new T480.

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[–] BigLime@lemmy.ml 15 points 1 week ago (5 children)
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[–] ozzelot@mstdn.social 14 points 1 week ago (3 children)

@Charger8232
It's nice how firefox is just nowhere in there

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[–] utopiah@lemmy.ml 14 points 1 week ago (2 children)

On the 5th layer I'd add NitroKey or YubiKey to remind people that in addition to software you can have physical tokens too.

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[–] pigup@lemmy.world 13 points 1 week ago

Because of Lemmy: proton, GrapheneOS, pi hole, open wrt, nextcloud

[–] ModestCrab@lemmy.wtf 11 points 1 week ago (13 children)

Throw away mobile phone and just use an air gapped machine. Your productivity will tank but then you’ll eventually add local databases of the shit you actually need on your air gapped machine and your productivity will triple.

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