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[-] DharkStare@lemmy.world 54 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

My favorite analogy is: You don't have to choose what's for dinner, but you're going to be forced to eat whatever was chosen.

Ever since I was old enough, I've voted in every single election I was eligible for. I don't care what people say or how unlikely it was for my candidate to win, I would still get out and vote.

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[-] Grayox@lemmy.ml 47 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

To all the burn it down and rebuild leftists (by protesting and not voting for the lesser of 2 evils) tell me how well that went for the Communists in Germany and Italy the last time mask off fascism rose to power there....

Edit: Not one of these "Self-righteous leftists" have addressed my question about what happened to leftists in Germany or Italy when fascist took power there. Its almost like they dont give a shit about the Prolitariat and would rather engage in purity politics rather than support the working class or marginalized communities. Absolutely pathetic astroturfing, or simply a complete disregard for the Materical Conditions on the ground in America.

[-] Deestan@lemmy.world 42 points 1 year ago

Vote for the system least likely to break you and you allies while you work to dismantle it.

[-] maniclucky@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago

Looks at the 2016 US election...

[-] Grayox@lemmy.ml 26 points 1 year ago

I legitimately regret not voting for Hilary....

[-] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 8 points 1 year ago

I get exactly how you feel. "Fuck the establishment, this'll be the year that a third party wins!" To be young and optimistic again...

[-] Omega_Haxors@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago

So that's what this is about.

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[-] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Not voting for the lesser of two evils is the most childish shit. People like to bring up that Geralt quote, as if the situation in that story wasn't made a hell of a lot worse by his decision not to choose.

If you're not gonna vote blue all the way down, then you need to put your money where your mouth is and start burning it down so you can rebuild it. Otherwise you aren't protesting, you're just being lazy.

[-] LarkinDePark@lemmygrad.ml 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Wasnt Biden supposed to be the lesser of two evils last time? How's that working out for you?

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[-] KepBen@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 1 year ago

Not one of these “Self-righteous leftists” have addressed my question about what happened to leftists in Germany or Italy when fascist took power there.

Because your question implies that selfish concerns ought to outweigh principles...

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[-] Avnar@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 1 year ago

Maybe you should get your Facts right. The KPD only didnt participate in the 1919 election. In the last Reichstags eleciton in 1933 they got 12,3%. They where removed and procecuted after the Nazis blamed a Communist for the Reichstags fire. idk much about Italy but they also got a few seats before Mussolini. To your question about what happened to German Communists, they where either put into Prisons/KZs and killed there, flead to the Soviets or went to Spain to fight Facism there. idk about Italy but probalby the same.

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[-] Semi-Hemi-Demigod@kbin.social 43 points 1 year ago

Voting is like paying taxes: It sucks, you don’t get anything you want, but not voting leads to problems.

I mainly vote to prove it doesn’t help and I haven’t been proven wrong since 2000

[-] RQG@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

It might not look like it helped but who knows what would have happened if you and several others didn't go.

[-] Semi-Hemi-Demigod@kbin.social 8 points 1 year ago

I guess the entire world going straight to hell at 300 mph is better than at 400 mph. Still going to hell, though.

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[-] akariii@lemmy.blahaj.zone 33 points 1 year ago

I find a lot of people arguing that one shouldn't vote because although easy, it is the least effective form of political engagement.

I'd argue that you should vote because it is the easiest form of political engagment and, if possible considering your material conditions, you should also try to participate in other forms of engagement.

Yep, I think that's uncontroversial...

[-] Grayox@lemmy.ml 11 points 1 year ago

Slaps table THANK YOU!

Especially since those people refuse to actually provide an alternative form of political engagement besides vague references to a revolution, which has absolutely zero chance of coming out in the Prolitariat's favor in Americas current political climate, because there is nowhere near enough class conciousness for that to happen.

[-] seitanic@lemmy.sdf.org 4 points 1 year ago

Even when the Proletariat does win, they often still install a dictatorship. Because those are the kinds of people who lead revolutions.

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[-] seitanic@lemmy.sdf.org 10 points 1 year ago

Yes, voting is the baseline. It's the least you can do.

I'm sure that there are anarchists out there who refuse to vote out of principle, but they still do activist work such as participating in mutual aid groups and so on. They're wrong, but at least they're still helping society in some way. I think the vast majority of people who don't vote are just lazy, though.

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[-] patomaloqueiro@lemmy.ml 29 points 1 year ago

Voting is important, but only an organized revolution is capable of breaking the system that fucks us up

[-] AgentGrimstone@lemmy.world 22 points 1 year ago

No, I won't get out and vote.

I will stay in and vote by mail.

[-] pingveno@lemmy.ml 12 points 1 year ago

I live in Oregon, which has had all-mail elections since the 1990's. It's so great being able to sit down with my husband, some endorsements, the voter's guide, and a computer to make my decision. So much better than scratching my head over half the ballot (well at least the title sounds good) and voting straight for the other half (vote blue no matter who).

[-] Gabu@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

On one hand, I wish I could do that in my country. On the other hand, voting already takes me less than 10 minutes including "commute" (walking down a single block), so it'd probably be a bigger hassle.

[-] OurToothbrush@lemmy.ml 13 points 1 year ago

Liberals, please acknowledge that if there is a possibility every election that fascism will win, fascism will eventually win unless you take political action outside of electoralism

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[-] gothicdecadence@lemm.ee 10 points 1 year ago

Not every state or county is having an election, you can check to see if you can/should participate here https://ballotpedia.org/Elections_calendar

[-] g8phcon2@teacup.social 9 points 1 year ago

This attitude is why Americans have two shitty right-wing parties

[-] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago

No, it isn't.

It's the fact that the two shitty right-wing parties are essentially all powerful that we have two shitty right-wing parties.

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[-] 31415926535@lemm.ee 7 points 1 year ago

THANK you. There's been so much negative trolling on lemmy, really getting me down. Seeing your post actually reminded me I need to re-register.

[-] 257m@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I read that electron and I was so confused. I should go put on my glasses.

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