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[–] gaja@lemm.ee 164 points 1 week ago (16 children)

Got a lot to say but I'll keep it brief-ish. Corporations love unhealthy people. They will artificially celebrate this and reinforce unhealthy lifestyles. This extends beyond weight.

Once entrapped, escape is hard. Some are passive and depressed. Some are dismissive and defensive. No matter which cycle you are in, it's unhealthy.

I think smoking is bad like I think being overweight is bad. If a doctor says alcohol is killing you, it probably is. I don't think hatred is deserved, but don't expect any validation for those choices.

[–] PP_BOY_@lemmy.world 73 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Surely no coincidence that being obese is a gateway to hyperconsumerism anyway. Sugary, fatty, processed snack foods are way more profitable than healthy meals.

Walking around town is free, can't have that. Sit at this computer chair, watch advertisements and play video games instead.

Heart disease at 26? That'll be $2k/month until you die.

Get depressed, buy the meds, never leave your couch, don't fight back, you're the evolution of humanity and - most of all - you are beautiful.

[–] toadjones79@lemm.ee 36 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I am down 50+ pounds, and have another 20 to go. This is new to me, but I absolutely agree with everything you said.

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[–] Irelephant@lemm.ee 31 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (10 children)

The meme isn't about that, I've read stories of some doctors refusing to perform surguries to overweight people, but other doctors doing the surgery anyway.

The same way a lot of women get told stuff is just from their period by doctors.

[–] medgremlin@midwest.social 96 points 1 week ago (3 children)

I'm a medical student and I have some direct experience with this. Sometimes, the difference between the surgeon who will do the procedure versus the surgeon that won't do the procedure is the availability of specialized facilities and equipment that they have access to. An elective surgery (i.e. not an emergency surgery) can go from routine to very high risk depending on the amount of adipose tissue the patient has.

And it's not just a matter of the fat tissue overlying the surgical site. Morbidly obese patients are much more likely to have things like sleep apnea which can make anesthesia more risky and might require more specialized equipment than a particular surgeon/hospital/anesthesiologist might have access to. The "morbid" part of "morbid obesity" also refers to the fact that people above a certain threshold of weight are much more likely to have other health conditions like heart disease that make anesthesia more risky.

[–] uselessRN@lemm.ee 20 points 1 week ago (1 children)

This is what I came to say but wasn't smart enough to put into words. There's a lot more factors than just being overweight of why a surgery can't be performed. For a while an issue at my hospital was we were one of the few in the area that could do MRIs on larger patients. So bigger hospitals would transfer these patients to us just for an MRI because their MRI machine was too small or couldn't handle the weight.

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[–] ChairmanMeow@programming.dev 46 points 1 week ago (3 children)

The reason for that is that surgeons are rated based on their success percentages meaning they'll recommend against risky surgeries.

The upside of this is that surgeons aren't operating willy-nilly on people and will make a proper risk assessment. The downside is that overweight people have an inherently higher risk of complications from surgery, so some surgeons will pass.

It's not because they think these people don't need it, it's because they think it's too risky. They're usually not wrong about that, you just need to find a surgeon willing to take the risk or, if possible, reduce the risk by losing weight.

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[–] gaja@lemm.ee 30 points 1 week ago (17 children)

Look. Shitty doctors exist, but when 1/3 of the US is overweight, there are underlying issues that need addressing. I only hear horror stories when an addict, alcoholic, or overweight individual in my life is feeling insecure or defensive about a prognosis. Too many people deflect and it's enabling a much larger issues. Our basic instincts are being exploited.

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[–] HollowNaught@lemmy.world 20 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

When talking about obese individuals, the fat very easily gets in the way of surgery. Compared to a healthy patient the risk of complications during surgery is much greater and really not worth chancing it (most if the time)

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[–] shalafi@lemmy.world 94 points 1 week ago (28 children)

I can't blame doctors for letting obesity color their opinion. Look around your doctor's waiting room. Everyone is fat. Imagine the suffering and illness they see daily due to fat. How can those observations not color their general attitude?

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[–] db2@lemmy.world 51 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Have you tried not being fat?

reminder: shitpost

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[–] yumyumsmuncher@feddit.uk 45 points 1 week ago
[–] RangerJosey@lemmy.ml 39 points 1 week ago (8 children)

Me: "I've tried everything I am physically capable of trying short of anorexia. Ive tried to walk. Ive tried lifting weights. I've even starved myself. 200 calories every other day for 3 months. Nothing works. I think I may have a legitimate medical issue"

Doctor: "Drink water and walk. Thatll be $250."

Me:

[–] kadup@lemmy.world 156 points 1 week ago (5 children)

It's important to notice that while an underlying medical issue is certainly likely in your situation, and that's hard to work against... There's no physical way you were actually ingesting 200 daily calories and didn't lose weight.

This is beyond biology, it's physical. You were either consuming way more than that, or you were actually losing weight and just didn't notice. There's no alternative.

[–] TheYojimbo@lemmy.world 67 points 1 week ago (15 children)

I mean they said every other day, if one day they get 200 and the next they get 5000 they ain't losing weight...

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[–] lIlIlIlIlIlIl@lemmy.world 68 points 1 week ago (1 children)

200 calories every other day

Forgot to mention the 8000 calories on the alternating days but I’m sure that’s fine

[–] teslasaur@lemmy.world 17 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Yeah, they tend to forget about those.

[–] PP_BOY_@lemmy.world 26 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Mans thinks he broke the laws of conservation of mass and that's why he's still fat

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[–] toadjones79@lemm.ee 15 points 1 week ago

None of that is what you should be doing. I mean yes you should be exercising. But not the way you are going about it. For context, I just lost 50 pounds, and have another 20 to go. I got a scary liver diagnosis due to a lifetime of overeating.

Download a calorie tracker and be super honest with it. At first don't be as concerned with staying within your calories as you are about building the habit to ALWAYS log everything. Seeing it laid out has more impact than anything else in changing your daily habits. Don't be tempted to skip little tastes, licks, and bites.

Additionally, do not starve yourself! Slowly change your habits and your body will do the rest. Starving yourself will only trigger your body into gaining weight by holding onto everything it gets. It will also make just about everyone quit within a few weeks. If you are finding yourself constantly starving (as opposed to occasionally hungry) then you need to make adjustments to what you are eating. Swap foods for better options. I swapped my late night chips, which kept me awake while driving trains at 3 am with no sleep for two days, with baby carrots I bought at the gas station. I found potatoes helpful in keeping full in the past, but had to avoid them for the liver. Potatoes aren't super high in calories, but sour cream, bacon, cheese, and/or deep frying them is.

Remember that your body adapts to the foods you regularly eat in about 4-6 weeks. So if you start eating healthy foods you hate, like a salad with tuna and sliced beets, you will start to crave it in about a month and a half. (Tuna has fish oils and beets are chock full of antioxidants). I have hated oatmeal for 40+ years, and now that is my preferred breakfast. I tried to make myself like it over and over but this time I stuck with it long enough to actually get my body hooked on that particular set of nutrients.

Oh, and if you set your home address to Europe in My Fitness Pal, it gives you some of the premium features, like the barcode scanner.

Absolutely quit soda and energy drinks. That one is just hard and there really isn't an easy answer for it. Sparkling water helps a bit, but really just plain water is the best at satisfying those cravings. Oh, and you will develop a massive sweet tooth when you quit soda. But if you try to stay within calories and drink a Mt Dew you will be starving by the end of the day. Diet soda is NOT better just because it doesn't have calories. It messes with the way your body processes and stores everything else it gets making it just as bad (worse) than the regular stuff. Stevia is ok for a lot of things, but getting your tastes used to less sugar is a huge step in losing weight and getting healthier.

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[–] quoll@lemmy.sdf.org 31 points 1 week ago (1 children)

quality rage bait 👏👏👏

[–] Irelephant@lemm.ee 21 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I'm not rage baiting, its a shitpost, in the community for shitposts.

[–] Nalivai@lemmy.world 19 points 1 week ago

You sound distressed, you should lose some weight.

[–] TheDoozer@lemmy.world 30 points 1 week ago

I've had almost exclusively military doctors for nearly two decades, and I can tell you they aren't trying to respect your feelings (not that they're dicks). If your tests come back with high cholesterol, they aren't jumping to Lipitor or some shit, they'll refer you to a nutritionist and tell you to exercise more. They have no problems telling you that your health troubles come from that weight crushing your organs and joints.

And that's as a person in the military, who has to maintain a certain level if fitness to keep my job.

[–] janus2@lemmy.zip 24 points 1 week ago

shoutout to my current PCP for actually listening to my symptoms and (most importantly) when they started/worsened and treating them and/or the cause while also reminding me I still need to keep working on my weight

gonna miss her when I move towns :[

[–] ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 21 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Also if they're dentists (suddenly teeth become "bones to smile with").

[–] Irelephant@lemm.ee 26 points 1 week ago (7 children)

You're going to need a root canal, not because its the best procedure for the job, but because its more expensive.

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[–] agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works 21 points 1 week ago (3 children)

What part of the Hippocratic Oath does this refer to? If anything, the Oath specifies "us[ing] those dietary regimens which will benefit my patients according to my greatest ability and judgment".

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[–] tormeh@discuss.tchncs.de 17 points 1 week ago (8 children)

Now we have weight loss drugs, though. Those are apparently unbelievably effective

[–] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 25 points 1 week ago (13 children)

Sort of. We have drugs that can help you lose weight, but they come with their own challenges and risks, and you still need to eat right and exercise. And even then, it's prescribed and covered for diagnosed diabetes. If you want it to lose weight, you probably have to pay for it.

Eating right is much more difficult than people pretend it is, and exercise is simply not possible for a lot of overweight people. You might as well say "don't be poor, and also don't be poor."

So when you say on top of that, "we've made it easier for you to lose weight with this new drug, as long as you aren't poor," that's not really helpful.

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[–] infinitesunrise@slrpnk.net 17 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Or a mentally troubled patient. Or a black patient. Or a woman.

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