in a lot of places you are legally obligated to tell cops ur name and show them ur passport or drivers license, when they ask. so if this is the case for u, u should do it (and then shut up and say nothing more without ur lawyer)
You shouldn't just shut up after identifying yourself either, you should explicitly state that you are exercising your 5th amendment rights and then shut up. Talking afterwards can be taken as rescinding your 5th amendment assertion.
Famously, a judge once ruled that saying "Yo, I want a lawyer, dawg" was actually not a 5th amendment assertion, and that the suspect was genuinely requesting a dog who practices law.
Hi, did you know that there are a large number of English speakers on the internet for whom quoting an amendment of the US constitution would not be helpful?
Yes, I would be one of them. However that still doesn't mean what I've said isn't generally best practice, even in areas where it's not fully required per case law. At the initial interaction with police, you should identify yourself, then clearly say you cannot answer questions without first getting legal advice. Then shut up and don't answer questions.
Although, if you really want to get into the nitty gritty, other jurisdictions may have more extensive requirements for what you must say, so shutting up isn't necessarily the best advice everywhere, all the time. There's also subtle differences between the right to silence and rights against self-incrimination.
In the UK, which first started using right to silence in the 17th century (and then spread its law over much of the rest of the world), inferences can be made from silence. No conviction can be wholly based on silence, but it can be the wrong move. In some situations, eg fraud and terrorism, the right to silence is reduced and you may be obligated to answer. In these circumstances you cannot legally remain silent, but you are still protected against self-incrimination.
Yes, I would be one of them.
That’s worse mate! You said 5th amendment three bloody times, when you could have given the same advice without referencing it at all. It’s not like saying “5th amendment” is a neck verse or something. You can just say “I’m choosing to invoke my right to not answer questions at this time” and as a bonus, that works everywhere that has such a right, including the United States ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Maybe I should've added in that it was specifically referring to the US in my first comment, but I also wanted to use it as an example to show that there is some significant nuance and depth to the subject.
In any case, most of the world does understand US terminology in some manner. For example, the Philippines courts referenced "so-called Miranda rights" when establishing their law.
You can just say “I’m choosing to invoke my right to not answer questions at this time” and as a bonus, that works everywhere that has such a right, including the United States ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
That's exactly what I did in the comment you just replied to:
At the initial interaction with police, you should identify yourself, then clearly say you cannot answer questions without first getting legal advice. Then shut up and don’t answer questions.
But that doesn't include the story about the lawyer dog, which seemed relevant to this post with a dog giving legal advice.
Again, only in the US.
Nevertheless, the right to remain silent is protected in many countries. Deciding whether to use it on the other hand, is not always easy.
You can’t not link the National Lawyer's Guild version! It’s like the best one, and they’re mentioned by name in the picture haha
I think you'll find you'll start getting taken way more seriously online when you start typing like an adult. Use whole words, not stupid abbreviations. Capitalize and punctuate appropriately.
If you want to be taken seriously online, don't use stupid colloquialisms like "way more seriously." Use grammatically correct phrasing like "far more seriously." Start writing like an adult.
didnt ask + go fuck urself + i type however the fuck i want uwu
i think u might be seen as way less unlikeable if u stopped being such a tight assed bitch <3
i'm an adult. any way i type is like an adult. if someone cant take me serious because of the way i type, thats their issue. i'm in the comment section of an online meme community not writing a work email. i can write however i want as long as its understandable.
In the US that is a 4th amendment violation. Some states get around that by requiring convicted felons to provide ID, but in most of the US if you haven't been convicted of a felony you have no obligation to identify yourself.
Reality check. 9 times out of ten, you're way better off just being a good little citizen and co-operating. Cops are people, and you get better results by playing nice.
If you get stopped randomly by a cop, just show your ID and tell him where you're going. They can arrest and hold you if they want, and the chances of you suing are pretty low. They have the power, and you don't. The place to assert your rights is in the courtroom, not when you can be arrested and or beaten for acting proud.
Don't be these guys
Reality check? Wow. You don’t know what the fuck you are going on about. Because your experiences have been 9 out of 10 positive you think others need a reality check? I spent two weeks in fucking jail for SHIITAKE MUSHROOMS.
So call a lawyer and get some reparations
Which proves my point. The cops can arrest you for ANYTHING.
The outliers don't make the rule.
On the subject of outliers, are we supposed to assume that a user named MycoBro (a user who references smoking marijuana and having a particular interest in identifying Psilocybin cubensis) is actually academically interested in fungi, and not one of the vastly more common abusers of poisonous mushrooms?
That’s absolutely right. My interest in mushrooms led me to read a book about shiitakes(the mushroom at the end of the world). In my excitement I ordered some to make with my ramen at lunch(in a carpenter I have a medical card for weed. How the fuck does that make me a criminal? Wanna talk about mushrooms, man? Because I have a hell of a lot more to say than “they get you high”. Me and all my grand kids hunt for them all year long as they are learning what they are called, which ones are useful, and which aren’t. Your just as wrong and arrogant as you could possibly be. Edit: do I look like a drug user? You know exactly what I look like probably. Picture that but keep me kind of handsome. Is that different than a pig fucking with a black dude because he’s black? I’d bet you would hate that.
Yeah, no. Glad that it's worked out for you (so far), but it doesn't always work out for everyone. I agree that you shouldn't be aggressive and standoffish, but you sure as fuck should not trust the cops. All they've shown is that they are a gang that believe they're above the law. They're out to protect and serve each other — not us.
Where did I say 'trust'? I will repeat my basic message. Assert your rights in the courtroom and not the street. I know of plenty of instances of cops killing civilians and not spending a minute in court, let alone jail.
I agree handing over your ID is probably good, even in a state where it isn't required. That is unless you're doing something obviously illegal and they don't know yet and you think you can hide your identity somehow, but I doubt it.
However, the right to remain silent and to an attorney are important. The location you're coming from or going to can be used as bullshit reasons to arrest you even if it's not bad. The way you speak can be used to arrest you. The smell of your breath can be used to arrest you.
Basically, hand over your I'd through a crack in the window. Keep your hands on the steering wheel in plain sight. If they ask questions, tell them you won't be answering questions and invoke your right to remain silent, then STFU. You won't win their game. Cooperate with the basic requirements, but don't give them more than the basic information. It's their job to figure out what you were doing and if it was illegal. Don't help them do their job.
In 2015 officer involved homicide averaged four a day, a factor that has only increased in the following years during the rise of Trump-led hate rhetoric. (also not including those covered up by precinct coroners, which was discovered in studies to be routine)
50% of the victims were neither armed nor resisting.
Thus proving my point. Knowing your cop might be ready to kill, is it really wise to start off by quoting the Constitution?
Especially if you are not white or white passing
No.
You should cooperate with what they order you to do, and you should always be friendly, but never let them search your property without a warrant or probable cause, as they could plant evidence. If you get arrested, comply with all actions they tell you to do, but don't say a single fucking word. On the street, try to stay alive, but once arrested, don't waive your 5th amendment rights. Being a good little citizen will doom you in interviews, and it should never be done.
I agree with everything above not all cops are nice. A majority probably are nice though but most just want to get to the end of the day without any confrontations although it doesn't hurt to record the conversation for evidence
Important addition: when the nice officer asks you to please leave the vehicle, you're getting out of the vehicle. Whether on your own or by getting pulled through a busted window is up to you.
Ref: Pennsylvania v. Mimms (the driver must follow the LEO's orders), Maryland v. Wilson (the same applies to passengers)
Why is it a dog?
It's a parody of McGruff the crime dog, a propaganda character from the 80s-90s
So that he can Take a Bite Out of Crime. ®
In a lot of places these don't apply, most western countries cops are not allowed to lie
And that means that they never do, obviously :)
UK cops are so careful about it, according to my two friends who do or did that work. They know their work can be undone in an instant if they're caught in a lie and it'll impact on them personally.
Funny how accountability in the police makes a difference to abuse!
Where would one find a lawyer for this purpose?
Search for 'criminal lawyers' online. In the US they are allowed to advertise.
The proverbial lawyer dog, just be sure not to ask for him.
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Rule: You must post before you leave.
