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It's a Creative Zen Stone that I got as a Christmas gift in 2008. I just found it in a drawer, and it's still holding charge. The last thing I put on it was The Life And Times Of Scrooge by Tuomas Holopainen, in 2015 -- I don't know why, at that time I definitely had a smartphone.

It has a headphone jack, which immediately makes it better than every smartphone produced in the last several years, and it can easily drive my 80-ohm Beyerdynamic. The audio quality is as good as one can expect. The only drawback is that it only holds 1GB... my old CD rips had to be compressed to hell and back.

Let me reiterate that this has been sitting untouched for a decade and was immediately ready for action. No login, no annoying software updates, expired subscription, or remote bricking by the manufacturer. Eat my shorts, Spotify Car Thing.

P.s. A Lifetime Of Adventure is a banger. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JWwSVOo5K_k

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[–] aramova@infosec.pub 107 points 6 days ago (2 children)

Enshitification has been a long slow burn, boiling the frog so we don't notice.

[–] metaStatic@kbin.earth 72 points 6 days ago (6 children)

we've noticed every step of the way

That sad truth is that most people don't care

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[–] Milk_Sheikh@lemm.ee 14 points 5 days ago (5 children)

Controversial opinion: while enshittification does exist (from ‘value engineering’ or feature regression) because the profit motive, this imo is more a case of the userbase getting what they ask for. Normies who aren’t super tech literate and know how to navigate a PC, weren’t buying early mp3 players like iRivers, because it wasn’t accessible. You had to:

  1. Have a PC
  2. Know how to use that PC to either rip from CDs to mp3 or acquire mp3s
  3. Know how to sync files - most of these early devices were basically generic USB storage
  4. Know that these players exist, and be willing to spend a lot (for the era) on them compared to a cassette/CD player

Until the iPod hit the scene, nobody had solved #2 (iTunes store), #3 (iTunes), and #4 (Apple marketing) at the same time. #1 was a timing issue, as digitization increased and home PC prices dropped the userbase wasn’t as large yet. The devices downgraded because the broader userbase doesn’t ask/use the extra features, they want convenience and to not have to think. And as they are the demand segment for industry, so goes the product - dumb it down and mass market it.

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[–] Hupf@feddit.org 28 points 5 days ago (6 children)

Back in the day, I had one that looked like this and was essentially built around an AA battery, which was great since you could always carry a spare.

[–] InvisibleShoe@lemmy.world 3 points 4 days ago

I used to have one of these to listen to music while walking to school back in the day. It was the first device I hacked the firmware to move the menu options around. It was the perfect size to fit into the breast pocket on school uniforms.

[–] ByteOnBikes@slrpnk.net 4 points 5 days ago

I loved this thing. Bought like three of them in a decade rather than join the iPod universe.

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[–] Quill7513@slrpnk.net 40 points 5 days ago (1 children)

i was explaining to a college student about mp3 players and they thought they sounded like some amazing new product coming down the pipeline. it made me feel super old and super sad for all that tech companies have robbed from us

[–] drosophila@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 5 days ago (1 children)

What were they so impressed by?

[–] Quill7513@slrpnk.net 21 points 5 days ago (1 children)

thousands of songs on your device with no internet connection and days without recharging

[–] drosophila@lemmy.blahaj.zone 12 points 5 days ago (1 children)

At first I was gonna say you can have thousands of songs on your smartphone regardless, but I guess those kids probably aren't too acquainted with file browsers.

[–] Quill7513@slrpnk.net 7 points 5 days ago (1 children)
[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 12 points 5 days ago (3 children)

I hate that so many devices try hard to obscure filesystems even though they are right there, right under the hood. I remember how ridiculous it was to try and browse an iPod as the hard drive it was. They copied your files into an indecipherable file tree with weird names. If companies aren't trying to keep you from copying shit then they're thinking you're too dumb to understand files and folders and putting some other weird UI on top of them to make them "user friendly".

And thusly, they made kids unable to understand file browsers/systems :'(

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[–] ObtuseDoorFrame@lemm.ee 24 points 5 days ago (5 children)

Sony phones have headphones jacks.

[–] thatradomguy@lemmy.world 9 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Tmobile stopped supporting my XA2 Ultra and I couldn't use it with Verizon. F them carriers man.

[–] thermal_shock@lemmy.world 8 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

Don't use cell service, now it's just an android mp3 player with wifi.

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[–] TerraRoot@sh.itjust.works 24 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Have the same in black, doesn't even need any special software to load songs on it, unlike some other creative products.

[–] viking@infosec.pub 8 points 5 days ago

I think it started with Apple requiring iTunes for their shitty DRM. The first few could still connect via USB regularly, but all file names were garbled and ID3 tags stripped, so you could technically copy the songs over, but had to manually restore them. From there it just went downhill.

[–] bravesilvernest@lemmy.ml 19 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Still have my 120G Zune and 16G Zune HD, both of which still work flawlessly. It's wild to think what we left behind

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[–] zod000@lemmy.ml 3 points 4 days ago

I am pretty impressed that it can power 80ohm Beyers (DT770?). I finally had my old phone die and I was forced to get one without a headphone jack. I listen to music on a little MP3 player called a Mixxtape now. It definitely can't power my Beyers properly.

[–] cholesterol@lemmy.world 15 points 5 days ago

I think people are forgetting you can still buy players like this. -With a mini jack, lots of space, drag and drop to transfer music....

https://amazon.de/dp/B0CJFRSGKH

[–] ArchmageAzor@lemmy.world 12 points 5 days ago (1 children)

It's how small things can be when they don't need a screen

[–] MonkderVierte@lemmy.ml 6 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

If you google for mp3-players without touchscreen and you open a link like "12 best mp3-players without touchscreen 2025", you may find maybe one in this list without touchscreen.

[–] LaLuzDelSol@lemmy.world 16 points 5 days ago (1 children)
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[–] panicnow@lemmy.world 7 points 5 days ago (1 children)

I got this for my girlfriend. If I recall it held about 100 CDs worth of music—it had a small hard drive in it. Up until that point she had used a portable CD player in her car. I remember it being a little finicky, but ultimately working well.

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[–] Pnut@lemm.ee 8 points 5 days ago (1 children)

I miss Creative. Best computer speakers I ever had. Also when everyone at school was rocking a 4gb iPod they got at the mall for hundreds of dollars and had to choose which music they wanted, I was rocking this puppy for like $100 off of eBay with my entire library on it. Notice it's 30gb! It also doubled as a portable hard drive. This is back when corporations did everything they could to make a good product. Not too sure, given the quality difference, why apple thrived and companies like creative died.

[–] Trollception@sh.itjust.works 1 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Check out the Vanatoo t0+ speakers for your PC if you want to be amazed. A little pricey but oh are they absolutely fantastic for music and games.

[–] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 14 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

The old Creative MuVo would pull apart, exposing a male USB connector for easy drag & drop loading of MP3s. Such a great design.

[–] harmsy@lemmy.world 12 points 5 days ago (4 children)

How does Scarlet Fire sound on it?

[–] rtxn@lemmy.world 16 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)
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[–] BenchpressMuyDebil@szmer.info 8 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

I started using something similar recently. I started buying music on indie sites and I have a closer relationship with my music. I keep listening to the same things since my library is still small. Because of that I remember the lyrics, know the names of favorite tracks or hum the songs during the day.

With phones not having the 3.5mm jack these days it sort of makes sense to have a separate 3.5mm jack device even.


The one I got is a Fiio Snowsky Echo Mini (2025) that is similarly old school - no Wi-Fi, just USB file transfer upload. Listening to music on a smartphone is mentally draining in comparison.

The player Is not such a good deal as it was before the Fiio tariff-related price hike, when it was around 40€, but eh. The battery is soldered on despite the case having a "stylistic" battery cover on the case. Supposedly on the inside it's still a standardized battery cell, so if you unscrew the case it should still be serviceable.

There are MP3 players which are simple and Digital Audio Players (DAPs) which are supposed to be more hi-fi. In Europe, AGPTEK is available (can't vouch, but see A52PL, C2S, U5PL) too. In the US, a simple modern iPod clone seems to be the Innioasis Y1. SanDisk (Western Digital) seems to have stopped making their Clip line and they're hard to find used where I'm from.

There's also a custom firmware for some DAPs/MP3 players called rockbox, here's the supported device list https://www.rockbox.org/wiki/TargetStatus

[–] Fenrir 6 points 5 days ago

+1 on dedicated music players. I can listen to music for hours without worrying that my phone is gonna die.

+1 000 000 on A Lifetime Of Adventure. Fantastic song.

[–] jws_shadotak@sh.itjust.works 11 points 5 days ago

The only drawback is that it only holds 1GB... my old CD rips had to be compressed to hell and back.

You may be able to crack it open and upgrade that storage. I have a similar little MP3 player with 16GB on an internal microSD card. It's possbile to swap out the internals.

[–] captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 3 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I have a Rio Volt SP-250. A CD-MP3 player I've had since 2001. The in-line remote died somehow but the unit itself works flawlessly and is in excellent condition. It runs on AA batteries; originally they were rechargeable but they were Ni-MH cells. I don't know where its charger went, but I can run the thing on Alkaline batteries or charge Eneloops in a separate charger.

It long outlasted the iPod it replaced and is still serviceable to this day.

[–] greyfox@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

The remote was awesome, when you had a hundred mp3s on a cd it was so easy to navigate. Upgraded to the Rio Volt and then Rio Karma after that, always wished they would use those expansion ports for another remote.

Karma is still one of the best mp3 players ever made. Flac, gapless playback, parametric equalizer, dock, etc. Made the iPhone look like junk except for the control wheel being a bit too easy to break.

I still have the Volt and a couple of Karmas. 128gb compact flash cards are drop in replacements for the HDD so you get even more space and better battery life. Unfortunately the phone is just too convenient to use so they collect dust now.

I pretty much only ever used the remote; I have to keep remembering how to use the main controls.

Fortunately, you can do everything you need to do with just a headset plugged into the device. They didn't ONLY put the controls on the remote. I've seen iPods and a lot of televisions do that.

I do end up using my phone with a set of ANR headphones most of the time, but the time may be rapidly coming when I do away with smart phone life and return to tradition.

[–] glibg@lemmy.ca 9 points 5 days ago

Aw man I wish I still had my old mp3 players. I had a round Sony one that was awesome, I could navigate songs/albums in my pocket without looking at the screen.

[–] WolfLink@sh.itjust.works 3 points 4 days ago

I have an old iPod shuffle. No screen, works as a USB stick, just plug it in, put some songs on, and it works.

[–] archonet@lemy.lol 8 points 5 days ago

fellow dankpods enjoyer spotted

if a psp is easy enough to come by in your local pawn shop, they make for good mp3 players

[–] MrsDoyle@sh.itjust.works 8 points 5 days ago (4 children)

I've got an iPod Classic 160Gb, from 2007 I think. Still runs fine, synchs and everything. I hate everything Apple about it - the weird 12-pin connection, having to use iTunes, the fact that it's been discontinued - but otherwise it's grand. I got it a wee Bluetooth dongle that fits into the headphone jack so I can listen on my hearing aids.

I'm almost scared to use it, because it would be hard to replace. I'm often out of phone signal range, and it's good to have all my music, audio books, podcasts etc still available. What else can do this? The Cloud is useless without a phone signal.

[–] harsh3466@lemmy.ml 8 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Look into rockbox. Custom firmware for the iPod.

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