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[–] RedditIsDeddit@lemmy.world 3 points 2 hours ago

We are already there

[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 13 points 16 hours ago

turning into? its been for a decade or more.

[–] qweertz@programming.dev 21 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago)

"Turning"?! "into"?!

ig neither the glowies, nor Snowden, nor Manning exist

[–] y0kai@lemmy.dbzer0.com 38 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Uh you mean since like, 2001?

[–] Thedogdrinkscoffee@lemmy.ca 10 points 21 hours ago

And by US, the author means the world.

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 58 points 1 day ago (4 children)

Is there a word for when the media is constantly like 3+ years behind with "warnings" like this? I mean Jesus Christ, turning into?

[–] xodoh74984@lemmy.world 24 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 10 points 1 day ago

True... Though things have accelerated at an alarming pace over the past few years

[–] danzabia@infosec.pub 6 points 1 day ago

Better that they cover it than not. And the recent ramp up is worth reporting on, it's a new level of weaponization compared to previous administrations.

[–] propitiouspanda@lemmy.cafe 3 points 1 day ago

There's a pokemon for it.

[–] wewbull@feddit.uk 2 points 1 day ago

I'm sure German could do a compound of "spät erkennen" or similar for a late realisation.

[–] FinishingDutch@lemmy.world 59 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Uh, do the kids these days really not know about the post-9/11 Patriot Act?

[–] Bloomcole@lemmy.world 23 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Well Obama 'fixed' it.
Made it even more draconian but called it the Freedom Act.
Shit like that works every time.

[–] FinishingDutch@lemmy.world 12 points 1 day ago (3 children)

God I miss the pre-9/11 US, when the worst thing happening was bad jokes on SNL about Bill Clinton and cigars.

[–] Bloomcole@lemmy.world 12 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Maybe not the best example.
At that time this sleezebag (and others with power) got away with a lot of sexual misconduct.
And in his case probably rapes.
Minimising it as him being some naughthy schoolboy and making jokes about is not really something I miss.

[–] foggenbooty@lemmy.world 2 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

I don't want to downplay sexual misconduct, but the issues we are facing right now are orders of magnitude higher.

You will never find a perfect point it time where life is good for and harmonious everyone. The 90s had their problems, for sure, but the USA wasn't tearing itself apart, or bringing in and welcoming in a new wave of fascism.

[–] Bloomcole@lemmy.world 2 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

I know that wasn't your intention, mentioned it bcs it just sounded weird and and unfortunate choice.
" USA tearing itself apart" is the best thing that could happen to the world.
I feel sorry for the handful of non-uniparty voters that have to suffer but as a European this feels like your country is getting a taste of its own medicine.

[–] foggenbooty@lemmy.world 1 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

I'm not the OP, or an American, but yes I think a lot of the world is looking at them and feeling that they're getting their comeuppance.

The problem is that America is truly too big to fail. Not that they can't fail, but they will drag the world down with them if they do. Global trade and global security is anchored to them, so while I want to see them slapped back to reality, I don't think we can afford for them to devolve into civil war.

[–] Bloomcole@lemmy.world 1 points 2 hours ago

I don't agree with too big to fail.
Yes it caused a lot of trouble already and they are dragging us (EU) down with them.
Or better they're sacrificing us for their benefit.
They aren't as important as they were for global trade and it is a catalyst to get rid of them sooner.
And 'global security'?!
That must be a joke, there is no bigger cause of destabilisation and war than that awful country.

[–] 3abas@lemm.ee 2 points 21 hours ago

Now read some books and see how much Bill Clinton is directly to blame for most awful shit we're dealing with today, and while you shouldn't come to justify 9-11, you'll understand its motivation correctly.

Bill Clinton and neo-libs like him is why we go right instead of left as a society.

[–] 5in1k@lemm.ee 1 points 21 hours ago

We sent all our manufacturing capabilities to China.

[–] brachiosaurus@mander.xyz 42 points 1 day ago

it's already a surveillance state and both the red and blue party are complicit.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010s_global_surveillance_disclosures

[–] just_another_person@lemmy.world 85 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Every part of the world is. It's not unique to the US. Laws need to be passed to stop this.

[–] kyub@discuss.tchncs.de 56 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

Yes. Unfortunately, these systems are also a great gift for any upcoming fascist regime (like the Trump junta currently) which will not only happily continue using the existing infrastructure but also extend it like mad.

Maybe humanity's greatest weaknesses overall: the lack of foresight and the lack of wisdom learned from historic precedents (e.g. Nazi Germany? Forgotten by now). Everything's always about short-term goals, ignoring any long-term disadvantages. See also: climate disaster.

[–] Plebcouncilman@sh.itjust.works 39 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Bet you $500 that the next democrat president won’t tear down the system and will in fact give even more contracts to Palantir & co.

[–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 2 points 22 hours ago

Palantir have been with every president since it's inception. I once searched palintir, lotr 10+years ago, it was already well established by then

[–] CitizenKong@lemmy.world 13 points 1 day ago (3 children)

That's a capitalism weakness, not a human weakness though.

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[–] ogmios@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 day ago

Laws aren't enough for something of this magnitude. The general population needs to grow to match the much greater challenges presented by modern technology, or we're going to descend into another dark age until we do learn how to behave.

[–] nullPointer@programming.dev 41 points 1 day ago (1 children)

kinda been that way since 2001

[–] rottingleaf@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

Since a bit earlier or so I've read.

[–] JoeKrogan@lemmy.world 24 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Where are all the "nothing to hide" people now.

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[–] serenissi@lemmy.world 10 points 1 day ago

wait US is putting surveillance on techno producers?

[–] bricklove@midwest.social 9 points 1 day ago* (last edited 21 hours ago) (1 children)

Here's a 20 year old album about it (it's really cool that my favorite band is called ISIS. It's neat how they broke up in 2010 but I still can only wear the merch at home)

[–] teamevil@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

Panopticon is fucking brilliant...hands down my Favorite ISIS album.

[–] FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au 20 points 1 day ago (1 children)

"Turning into" lol. The USA and all their partner countries like the ones in the 5 Eyes program have all been mass techno-surveillance states for decades.

[–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 11 points 1 day ago (3 children)

The 5 eyes countries are not allowed to spy on their own citizens, but they can freely share data.

Isn't there an obvious loophole here.

[–] propitiouspanda@lemmy.cafe 5 points 1 day ago

The 5 eyes countries are not allowed to spy on their own citizens

I mean, they do it anyways.

[–] elvith@feddit.org 8 points 1 day ago

Shhhh... Don't make it even more obvious. The fig leaf covering it is already so flaccid, that it might instantaneously turn into dust at the slightest disturbance.

[–] FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au 3 points 1 day ago

It’s almost like it was by design.

They also just spy on their own citizens anyway, because who is going to stop them?

[–] peereboominc@lemm.ee 7 points 1 day ago

How hard did Musk press his fingers on his other hand? Or does his blood not flow that hard?