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[–] tocopherol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 20 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

NRA obviously isn't going to help us, but your local Socialist Rifle Association would be more amenable to resisting tyranny. If there is no chapter in your area get some like minded friends together and start one.

Edit: How could I forget your local John Brown Gun Club, good number of chapters around the country and they will be comrades.

[–] electric_nan@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 days ago (1 children)

SRA is pretty explicit about not being a "militia" of any kind. Good place to meet cool people, but they won't be resisting under the SRA banner. John Brown Gun Club on the other hand is a little less timid about showing up to protect people.

[–] tocopherol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 days ago

Thanks for mentioning them, my thoughts were apparently not fully engaged yet when I posted, and originally said 'Socialist Rifle Club', my brain combined them into one

[–] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

White supremacist organizations like the NRA are constantly working to impose tyranny.

[–] metoosalem@feddit.org 111 points 3 days ago (1 children)
[–] Lemmyoutofhere@lemmy.ca 43 points 2 days ago (5 children)

The same reason ruzzians don’t.

[–] Goodmorningsunshine@lemmy.world 36 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I've said this before on Lemmy and got down voted, but this is accurate. When it comes to current willingness to fight for our rights, Americans are Russians, not the French.

[–] InternetCitizen2@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago

There just aren't any serious leftist movements. Tankies are passionate and as much overlap as you might have they won't want to pull in the same direction for one reason or another. Texas has possibly more left leaning people, but they will never show up, nor make their own party to spoil the vote (still worth doing to shift the overton window back).

Its a shame really.

[–] JoMiran@lemmy.ml 26 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Incorrect. Americans do not revolt because we are fat and not uncomfortable enough. Russians do not revolt because they are drunk and numb...because they are drunk.

[–] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 2 days ago

because they are drunk and numb…because they are drunk.

Who upvotes this lib racism?

[–] Lemmyoutofhere@lemmy.ca 16 points 2 days ago (2 children)
[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

A mix of having too much to lose and a sense that there's nothing to gain.

The lesson of the 20th century that's beaten into the head of every American liberal is "Animal Farm". If anyone advocates for a revolt, it is only because they want to be the new evil bastards in charge. Sincere opposition to oppression isn't real. Anarchism is just chaos, not a real non-hierarchical organizing philosophy. Democracy is a farce. And any disruption of the status quo will end badly for everyone involved.

The apathy is a consequence of decades of authoritarian propaganda couched in "American/Russian Exceptionalist" language. And if you scuff the paint on Exceptionalism, what you end up with is White Nationalism, which is what's really holding back the bulk of revolutionary sentiment. "I'm (the correct kind of) white, so none of this will affect me, personally. Why stick my neck out so some Woke Atheist Black Feminazi Muslim Tankie can seize power?"

[–] JoMiran@lemmy.ml 10 points 2 days ago

Isn't it always?

[–] MedicPigBabySaver@lemmy.world 11 points 2 days ago (1 children)

So, I'm fat & drunk = I'm a AmeriRuss?

[–] JoMiran@lemmy.ml 10 points 2 days ago (1 children)
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[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago

Well, aktuly...

They did. They were just bad at it.

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[–] JoMiran@lemmy.ml 73 points 2 days ago (1 children)

It's almost as if it was all bullshit to get you to donate to a organization specifically designed to enrich its officers and gun manufacturers.

[–] azertyfun@sh.itjust.works 33 points 2 days ago

That's wildly underselling it. The financial aspect is almost anecdotal. The 2nd amendment movement has only ever served one purpose above everything else: Arm white people to manage, deter, and even lynch black people, as well as to prepare for the eventual transition to fascism.

This is part of why the Great American Project was doomed to degenerate into fascism long decades Maga was a thing. Wildly racist violent thugs were given the sociopolitical power to establish this whole charade about "resisting tyranny" when it was only ever about minorities. Always. Even supposed liberals bought into this lie, eternal shame upon these useful idiots. Yet every time since the American Civil War where black people started actually organizing and exercising their 2A right ended with those rights gutted or those communities actually being fucking bombed. That should have been pretty telling. But Americans collectively kept up the repeatedly disproven pretense that this was about "fundamental rights".

Anyway if you can't tell recent events have got me pretty fired up about the innumerable ways in which american self-mythology has only ever served fascist agendas.

[–] FartMaster69@lemmy.dbzer0.com 80 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

You can’t expect the brown shirts to resist their own guy.

[–] Deflated0ne@lemmy.world 40 points 2 days ago (2 children)

They won't do that. Every time some fucking pig uses their horse to step on a protestor they nut.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 17 points 2 days ago (1 children)

The NRA Supported Gun Control When the Black Panthers Had the Weapons

Throughout the late 1960s, the militant Black nationalist group used their understanding of the finer details of California’s gun laws to underscore their political statements about the subjugation of African-Americans. In 1967, 30 members of the Black Panthers protested on the steps of the California statehouse armed with .357 Magnums, 12-gauge shotguns and .45-caliber pistols and announced, “The time has come for Black people to arm themselves.”

The display so frightened politicians—including California governor Ronald Reagan—that it helped to pass the Mulford Act, a state bill prohibiting the open carry of loaded firearms, along with an addendum prohibiting loaded firearms in the state Capitol. The 1967 bill took California down the path to having some of the strictest gun laws in America and helped jumpstart a surge of national gun control restrictions.

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In contrast to the NRA’s rigid opposition to gun control in today’s America, the organization fought alongside the government for stricter gun regulations in the 1960s. This was part of an effort to keep guns out of the hands of African-Americans as racial tensions in the nation grew. The NRA felt especially threatened by the Black Panthers, whose well-photographed carrying of weapons in public spaces was entirely legal in the state of California, where they were based.

[–] Goodtoknow@lemmy.ca 9 points 2 days ago (1 children)

NRA seems like a bunch of sniveling, boot-licking, white nationalist fascists IMO

[–] RedditIsDeddit@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago

Yep. That's what they are.

[–] x0x7@lemmy.world 6 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

This is why most gun owners prefer GOA. NRA just inserts itself as the face of gun owners, doesn't actually represent us. GOA is actually libertarian, is for armed citizens not militarized cops. Stays in its lane with politics. Doesn't go out of its way to get bad PR with left.

Thinking gun owners like the NRA is about on the same level as thinking we shoot clips. They are the AARP of guns. They exist only to collect money from idiots.

[–] dmention7@lemm.ee 29 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Read this as "Cmon do a racist tyranny" at first. Like, damn thats pretty mask off, and hello welcome to the last decade...

But yeah, "resist" works too.

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[–] goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org 28 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Sorry they only fight against improving the lives of people not actual tyranny

[–] Pilferjinx@lemmy.world 6 points 2 days ago

Don't tread on me pointing a gun at you.

[–] wanderwisley@lemm.ee 26 points 2 days ago

Oh they will rise up, but it will be on the side of tyranny.

[–] Lushed_Lungfish@lemmy.ca 30 points 3 days ago (4 children)

Uh, the average level of American marksmanship that we've seen suggests that tyranny is perfectly safe.

[–] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 27 points 2 days ago

Suddenly, the storm troopers in Star Wars make sense

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[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 29 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Best they can do is wing a few reporters.

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[–] MachineFab812@discuss.tchncs.de 16 points 2 days ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Might have better luck with the Marine Corps than the NRA. Either way, it won't be an organizational/top-down thing.

EDIT: some context https://www.militarytimes.com/news/your-military/2025/05/30/soldiers-wife-deported-to-australia-after-detainment-in-hawaii/

[–] ayyy@sh.itjust.works 24 points 2 days ago (3 children)

The marines were just deployed domestically (blatantly unconstitutional) and they complied with the unlawful order. They are part of the fascist insurrection.

[–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 14 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Military coups happen, that’s why Trump replaced all the generals that might stand against him

[–] darthelmet@lemmy.world 6 points 2 days ago (1 children)

How often are those military coups AGAINST the fascists? Hell a lot of those military coups were backed by our military/intelligence agencies. I wouldn’t hold my breath waiting for the US military to be the bastion against tyranny.

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[–] ghosthacked@lemmy.wtf 2 points 2 days ago

Bet they were salivating at shooting illegals while violating the constitution.

Should've packed them in like sardines with no food or water. They went there with the intent to murder.

[–] MachineFab812@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

I mean, you're right, but it's because of their demographics and proximity to the situation that I said what I said.

Few NRA members will be in any position to intervene or see the reality first-hand. Meanwhile, Marines have seen their spouses and other relatives deported in recent months. Trump was an idiot to deploy them like so, as opposed just about any other branch of the active-duty military.

[–] Schadrach@lemmy.sdf.org 5 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Marines have seen their spouses and other relatives deported in recent months. Trump was an idiot to deploy them like so, as opposed just about any other branch of the active-duty military.

I take it Marines are especially likely to have family or spouses that are here illegally, for some reason?

[–] Machinist@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Per Congress:

As of February 2024, more than 40,000 foreign nationals were serving in active and reserve components of the Armed Forces. An estimated additional 115,000 foreign nationals residing in the United States are veterans who have previously served on active duty.

Service guarantees citizenship. We've got so many immigrants in the military. Heavy Hispanic representation. Rodriguez and Vasquez are stereotype names for military members and you'll find it in movies all the time.

I do have a general feeling that Marines take more immigrants, especially Hispanic, but I don't have anything to base it on.

It's actually a little more complex than a guarantee, but serving in the US military is a path to expedited citizenship/permanent residency including family.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

Hispanics - particularly Hispanic men in the military - have long been loyal supporters of the Republican Party and the Trump Presidency. A lot of these guys are from families that fled countries undergoing left-wing insurgencies and joined the US military with an eye towards flipping their home countries back to conservative governance. In particular, you've got a lot of Cuban and Venezuelan ex-pats aligned with the capitalist opposition parties. You've also got a lot of Nicaraguans and Columbians with a family history opposed to the Sandinistas and the FARC rebels. And that's before Marine Training beats anything resembling modern liberalism out of you.

The Trump anti-immigrant attitude puts them in a weird place, since they're nominally aligned with his political attitude but physically exposed to his dragnet against anyone with an unseasonable tan. Also, heaven help you if you're a queer Hispanic with conservative politics.

But go down the rooster of the Jan 6th gang. Check out who some of Trump's most loyal supporters are in the House and Senate, particularly in Gulf states like Florida and Texas. You're going to find a lot of Hispanics. The Marines are a hotbed of reactionary politics and fascist attitudes, second only to the holy roller Christian nationalists in the Air Force.

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1 in five are Hispanic(tbh, I did think it was more), but there was a noteworthy case in the news a while back about a spouse flying into Hawaii and getting deported to Australia. On that note, military members serve overseas a lot, and often marry locals, so the ethnicity stats don't tell the whole story.

[–] lostwonder@beehaw.org 12 points 2 days ago

What do you expect from a bunch of terrorists?

[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 13 points 2 days ago

"From my cold dead hands!"

They actually apparently want to die, not actually keep their guns.

[–] WhiskyTangoFoxtrot@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I mean, we all knew that the NRA was on the fascists' side, but what about all those leftist gun owners that kept spamming the "under no pretext" quote after every school shooting? Surely they'll be starting their glorious revolution any minute now, right?

[–] Corn@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 days ago

All 12 of them?

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