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GrapheneOS statement on Mastodon: https://grapheneos.social/@GrapheneOS/114661914197695338

Calyx made an official statement on this development here: https://calyxos.org/news/2025/06/11/android-16-plans/

Concerning stuff. Hopefully a workaround or solution is found at some point, but if not, I'm already thinking of how to manage without them.

I can't see myself going back to a standard Android phone, so I suppose worse case scenario, I'd have to settle with LineageOS, or potentially abandon Android altogether and see if I can manage with discrete separate devices to fulfill the same needs, such as:

  • a pocketable mini-Linux PC like a MNT Pocket Reform, which has the ability to use cellular networks. Should be able to text, browse web, and maybe GPS? Alternatively, perhaps the Mecha Comet?
  • Small pocket-able dumb camera
  • MP3 player
  • Dumb-phone kept in a faraday bag when not in use?

EDIT:

Update on the situation from GrapheneOS in this thread (using Redlib, a proxy of Reddit)

The biggest problem for GrapheneOS is not the change to AOSP but rather our lead developer since 2022 being forcibly conscripted to fight in a war in April. That's why we've been asking for help since April.

In April, we were contacted by someone about upcoming changes to AOSP impacting us including the removal of device support in Android 16. We talked about it internally but didn't know if the information was credible. We prepared as much as we could for the Android 16 port but didn't know exactly what would happen with device support. If we had clearer information on it and knew it was accurate, we could have prepared much more in advanced.

Porting to Android 16 is required to continue shipping full Android privacy/security patches regardless of device. Only the latest stable release gets full privacy/security patches, which was the May release of Android 15 QPR2 and is not Android 16. Older releases only get backports.

Pixels also only have their driver and firmware patches for Android 16, although we're working on a release within the next 24 hours with backports of the most important firmware patches. We would normally have an experimental Android 16 release out already, if they hadn't made changes to AOSP.

There are further changes coming to AOSP. It is not only what is talked about there.

In another comment:

We're going to be continuing GrapheneOS but in the long term we'll need to shift to our own devices with an OEM partner.

It's not only Pixels which are going to be impacted. Pixels are still the only devices meeting our hardware requirements (https://grapheneos.org/faq#future-devices). It's clear we need our own hardware in partnership with an OEM that's serious about security and capable of delivering on it. We've had several attempts at OEM partnerships but they were unable to provide what we needed. It will cost millions of dollars to get a device meeting our basic requirements. We can do that, but we hoped for an OEM wanting to work with us instead of us needing to pay for everything through raising funds. We didn't end up finding a good OEM to work with that way so we'll do it the hard way.

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[–] JubilantJaguar@lemmy.world 12 points 1 day ago

There will be many ways to get an extremely secure OS running on a mobile device. The problem is apps. Specifically, apps that are plugged into corporate clouds, i.e. an absolute ton of them.

The general problem IMO is that people are addicted to mobile computing. The tough form factor and performance specs mean that the hardware is locked down. Which puts free software at a major disadvantage.

The web platform is our last best hope. Keeping it competitive is going to be a political challenge as much as a technical one.

[–] Luffy879@lemmy.ml 18 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Well, looks like my jump to Fairphone is earlier than expected

[–] neons@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 1 day ago

New one is coming on the 25th, wait for that.

[–] Sunshine@lemmy.ca 7 points 2 days ago

PMOS and UT are godsends of operating systems!

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[–] leds@feddit.dk 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

What about jolla (with sailfish OS and support for android apps). Anyone any experience with this?

[–] tasankovasara@sopuli.xyz 2 points 1 day ago

Sailfish OS is really nice, but only available for select Sony Xperia phones officially. Also native apps are few in number, but when I used it there was enough for basic needs - really good navigation app, ok Matrix and Telegram, official email app was excellent, the browser was workable. I think I got an Android parking app working too. But this was a while ago.

Yeah, I can see this driving more adoption of Linux phones. Ubuntu touch comes to mind. Might give it a whirl when/if /e/os runs into trouble

[–] Sixtyforce@sh.itjust.works 10 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Okay, let's say GrapheneOS is dead. That was a nice 10 years, so I've not kept up to this scene.

What's the next best thing left standing? LineageOS?

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[–] throwawayacc0430@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Btw, what phones besides Google Pixel support Bootloader Re-locking?

[–] Metz@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

Fairphone. And some older Sony Xperia. But afaik that limits the DRM (e.g. no more Netflix in HD).

The selection is extremely limited.

[–] Infernal_pizza@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Of course this would happen just after I sold my iPhone

[–] Azzu@lemm.ee 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Lol, as if a stock iPhone was any better than a stock Pixel?

Now you can look at actually better alternatives (privacy/whatever wise)

[–] Infernal_pizza@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Not much better but I'd trust Apple over Google any day. GrapheneOS is the only reason I switched to Android

[–] Onomatopoeia@lemmy.cafe 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

At least with Android, you don't have to connect to Google services, and with forks like Lineage/Calyx/Graphene, you can (nearly) fully ensure you're disconnected.

iOS is no more privacy friendly than Android. This has been well established.

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[–] Sunshine@lemmy.ca 7 points 2 days ago (1 children)

It’s time for Android to be supplanted by Postmarket OS in the upcoming years!

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[–] 01011@monero.town 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Why did you focus on the bad news and not the good OP? They mention that they'll have to ramp up development on a GrapheneOS device. About time.

[–] ProdigalFrog@slrpnk.net 8 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

If you mean when they say:

Having our own devices meeting our hardware requirements (https://grapheneos.org/faq#future-devices) would reduce the time pressure to migrate to new releases and could be used to obtain early access ourselves. Based on talks with OEMs, paying for what we need will cost millions of dollars.

~~I don't think they're saying that they will~~, they're pointing out how expensive it would be to do so ~~(I.E, unlikely as they do not have the funds to do it).~~

Further down they clarify when someone asks what they mean by a GrapheneOS device:

Working with an OEM partner to make devices built to run GrapheneOS. We have a list of hardware requirements at https://grapheneos.org/faq#future-devices which are provided by the currently supported devices (Pixels). It would be very hard to make new devices meeting our requirements. We would need the community to raise a substantial amount of money in advance by preordering devices. We would need to incorporate substantial costs for development and long term support into the device cost.

Edit:

I was wrong! Graphene has clarified that they will, in fact, pursue creating their own hardware. Check main OP for details.

[–] Onomatopoeia@lemmy.cafe 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Which is great news!

But they'll need a new, professional leadership team to make this happen.

There are many stories of the terrible experience with the Graphene team - I took those stories with a grain of salt until I had the same experience with them with my very first contact with the team - as in within 2 minutes. It was like dealing with Nick Burns on SNL, only worse.

That's a major issue that will require a strong leadership team to keep doing what they do best: building an OS, and not interacting with us plebeians.

[–] railcar@midwest.social 4 points 1 day ago

Yeah they really need better PR. They have a strong persecution complex and lash out at everyone. It's worse than normal Linux distro flame wars

[–] grue@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago (7 children)

So if not a Pixel, what's the best phone to get (if you don't have $500 for a FairPhone)?

[–] Onomatopoeia@lemmy.cafe 5 points 1 day ago

Let's be clear: Graphene takes an extreme view on security. I'm not saying they're wrong, it's all about use-case.

I'm not a state level target, I understand my risk landscape, and layer my phone security accordingly. My greatest risk is my phone simply dying or being lost, so I ensure the data is replicated to home all the time. Which is also why I root, so I can run proper local backups that get synced to home.

Graphene is more than I need from a security perspective, but it does make it easier for someone who simply doesn't want to think about it and go with max security available today.

So I run Lineage on my Pixels. It's secure enough for my use case. Your use-case may be different.

Of course, Lineage will need to address this too, as will any other AOSP fork.

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[–] 01011@monero.town 4 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I was seriously thinking about going the postmarketos route anyway. Even with GrapheneOS I still cannot stand Android (I don't like iOS either, for all the fanbois).

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