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[–] gmtom@lemmy.world 1 points 22 minutes ago

There's more truth to this than there was to the wmds thing, we know Iran has enriched uranium up to 65% which is way more than you need for nuclesr power and only a bit short of the threshold for bombs.

But it's also entirely Trump and Israels fault in the first place, Iran were complying with Obamas nuclear deal then Israel convinced Trump to stop honouring it so Iran rightly did the same. It's a problem they created in order to have an excuse to attack Iran.

[–] iowagneiss@midwest.social 1 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

My first thought before checking other people's takes in the Internet is that we (USA) were just acting like it took us by surprise, but it was actually planned because we want to crush the Muslim state, and this is the best opportunity we've seen to move forward with that. We immediately defended Israel against Iran's retaliatory barrage.

I admittedly know shit about foreign policy but just assume we do things that any racist christian nationalists might do, and that's one. I'm not supporting Iran here; just trying to make sense of it. Religion poisons everything.

[–] Objection@lemmy.ml 7 points 10 hours ago

And WMDs were my generation's Gulf of Tonkin incident, and another generation's USS Maine.

There was no corner of the known world where some interest was not alleged to be in danger or under actual attack. If the interests were not Roman, they were those of Rome's allies; and if Rome had no allies, then allies would be invented. When it was utterly impossible to contrive such an interest—why, then it was the national honor that had been insulted. The fight was always invested with an aura of legality. Rome was always being attacked by evil-minded neighbors, always fighting for a breathing space. The whole world was pervaded by a host of enemies, and it was manifestly Rome's duty to guard against their indubitably aggressive designs. They were enemies who only waited to fall on the Roman people.

  • Joseph Schumpeter
[–] refract@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 18 hours ago (2 children)

They'll be really upset when they realize young people wont sign up to fight another oil war for a country that is actively enslaving them.

[–] Dadifer@lemmy.world 9 points 11 hours ago (2 children)

The youth won't save us. There's millions of people who grew up in conservative households believing that killing brown people is the (only) American Way.

[–] dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world 2 points 2 hours ago

And even so, lots of guys from the sticks who wound up in Iraq and Afghanistan signed up to the military in order to get a free ride, not because they had any particular ideological motivation other than having no opportunity in wherever it was they came from.

They got a free ride, alright. Straight out into the goddamned desert.

[–] refract@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 9 hours ago

Valid point, my intention was to highlight that the younger generation is generally more self-focused and has better access to the information (if they seek it). Be that a good or bad thing, with enlistment numbers dwindling, I presume it has more to do with better access to information and self preservation dwarfing the maga need to eliminate 'non-whites'.

[–] breecher@sh.itjust.works 2 points 11 hours ago

Young people are not automatically good just because they are young. There are murderous fascist young people as well.

[–] rodneyck@lemmy.dbzer0.com 35 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

Nothing new, the MSM has always been the propaganda mouthpiece for the gov't and the war machine. Look for independent reporters, substack and the like, for real news.

[–] TranscendentalEmpire@lemmy.today 17 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

independent reporters, substack and the like, for real news.

But they don't hand out branded tote bags that I can take to brunch to let the gals know I donated.....

[–] cabbage@piefed.social 5 points 21 hours ago

Also they are so negative all the time!

[–] timewarp@lemmy.world 6 points 22 hours ago

Democracy Now!, TYT, Breaking Points, etc... you'll get some differing opinions at times, but way more truth than MSM.

[–] otter@lemmy.dbzer0.com 17 points 22 hours ago

Oh, you mean how Israel was created in the first place? That's odd.

[–] jsomae@lemmy.ml 8 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

what's the excuse they're going with?

[–] superniceperson@sh.itjust.works 9 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

Iran was "days away" from getting a nuke.

[–] jsomae@lemmy.ml 8 points 16 hours ago

even if that were true, the principle of M.A.D. suggests that for maximal stability, opposing factions should have nukes. Iran not having nukes is too big of an advantage for Israel, even if nobody ever uses them.