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    [–] Shipgirlboy@sh.itjust.works 137 points 3 weeks ago (5 children)

    Why should I not use systemd?

    [–] Vanilla_PuddinFudge@infosec.pub 138 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)
    [–] Shipgirlboy@sh.itjust.works 21 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

    Perfectly legitimate reason to do/ not do anything

    /s

    [–] klu9@piefed.social 48 points 3 weeks ago

    I disagree.

    [–] aberrate_junior_beatnik@midwest.social 96 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

    When you want to feel special but not enough to go to the effort of using FreeBSD

    [–] Shipgirlboy@sh.itjust.works 40 points 3 weeks ago

    I already am special enough, my mom said so

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    [–] vrighter@discuss.tchncs.de 41 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (2 children)

    because the over 70 different binaries of systemd are "not modular" because they are designed to work together. What makes a monolith is, apparently, the name of the overarching project, not it being a single binary (which again, it's not)

    [–] Shipgirlboy@sh.itjust.works 46 points 3 weeks ago

    If I cared about modularity I'd use something like Hurd, but i actually need to get shit done

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    [–] ColdWater@lemmy.ca 17 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

    When you're not using your computer

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    [–] MxRemy@piefed.social 64 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

    Void, because it works really well on my super low-resource chromebook!

    [–] scintilla@piefed.blahaj.zone 19 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

    any advice for trying void? Ive heard good things but never really gave it a chance.

    [–] MxRemy@piefed.social 19 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

    The gui installer was roughly about as simple as any other distro I've tried, and stuff generally seemed to work out of the box. There are more packages than one might expect from such a small distro too. Not sure I have any advice specific to Void really, although getting a custom bootloader onto a Chromebook was certainly a trip lol

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    [–] NeatNit@discuss.tchncs.de 61 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

    As a user, why should I care whether the distro I use uses systemd? I use Mint and I don't remember having to interact with that kind of low-level nonsense. The distro maintainers can use whatever reasoning they want to pick these details.

    [–] kautau@lemmy.world 28 points 3 weeks ago

    Tribalism exists in every circle, perhaps moreso in tech circles. Ironically anyone who hates on a distro could just switch, or build their own distro if they were so inclined, but it's often the hating that people participate more in than using their system. Use what works for you, and if it no longer works for you use something else.

    [–] notabot@piefed.social 13 points 3 weeks ago

    If you are just a user, in that a computer is just a tool you use, then you're right, there's comparatively little reason to be concerened or even know about the underlying details of the system. If you go further and start making changes to your system, or even building more complex systems, over time you will find yourself forming quite firm opinions about various parts of the underlying system, especially if you've had experience with other options.

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    [–] boaratio@lemmy.world 44 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (3 children)

    So the old init.d system was better? Come on people, let's stop infighting. I have zero preference on init systems. You know why? Because they're just plumbing. Stop this nonsense. Do I click on an init system? Do I use the init system to check my email? Or play games? No. I know poettering can be controversial, but let's just move on. Run freebsd if you're so butt hurt.

    [–] 2xsaiko@discuss.tchncs.de 28 points 3 weeks ago

    Yeah, on a desktop I don't really mind whatever*. On a server however, I think systemd is great and I wouldn't want to miss it anymore.

    * except Debian's frankenstein systemd + sysvinit combination. Burn it

    [–] 10001110101@lemm.ee 11 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

    So much more than an init system though, which I think is why people don't like it. Personally, the only annoyance I have is I preferred log files over journald.

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    [–] twice_hatch@midwest.social 39 points 3 weeks ago
    [–] umbraroze@slrpnk.net 37 points 3 weeks ago

    "systemd is the worst implementation of init, except all those other inits that have been tried from time to time" -Churchill, if he had been a nerd

    [–] 30p87@feddit.org 36 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

    Probably Artix, because it's like Arch, and I use Arch btw

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    [–] uninvitedguest@lemmy.ca 36 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)
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    [–] miss_demeanour@lemmy.dbzer0.com 30 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

    An hour in and no mention of Slackware yet?

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    [–] misterbzr@lemm.ee 29 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

    Alpine.

    Have used crux but using low end / old hardware results in almost permanent building software.

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    [–] wolf@lemmy.zip 28 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

    Since you asked for OS and not Linux: OpenBSD and FreeBSD are beautiful systems w/o systemd. I would switch in a heartbeat if I wouldn't need Linux for work reasons.

    [–] Opisek@lemmy.world 49 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (9 children)

    This feels like an "I would switch to Linux if I didn't need Windows for work" comment from another universe.

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    [–] notabot@piefed.social 21 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

    Debian, installed without systemd as per the wiki. So far I've not hit any issues, whilst I've recently ended up diving through both kernel and systemd code to find the root cause of an issue I was hitting on one server. I could have just bodged past it, but I wanted to actually understand what the issue was, and what else it was going to affect.

    [–] DasFaultier@sh.itjust.works 13 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

    Maybe a stupid question, but is the thing you did fundamentally different from Devuan?

    [–] notabot@piefed.social 15 points 3 weeks ago

    Honestly, I'm not sure, I was looking at Devuan, but then noticed that Debian supported sysvinit natively so I went that route instead. I figure that sticking to the source distro was going to give me fewer headaches, and so far it's been plain sailing.

    [–] lka1988@lemmy.dbzer0.com 20 points 3 weeks ago (5 children)

    systemd is fine. The only people I've ever heard complain about it are lonely neckbeards pretending like their opinion somehow matters.

    I've used Debian as a server system since it was using init.d. And do you know what I found? systemd is easier. And the fact that Debian of all distros decided to use it says a lot.

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    [–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 18 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

    I suppose that would be Android, since that's the only non systemd OS I use.

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    [–] 2xsaiko@discuss.tchncs.de 18 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)
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    [–] furycd001@lemmy.ml 17 points 3 weeks ago (12 children)

    System service managers like systemd, OpenRC, runit, or SysVinit often come down to user preference. While these systems are crucial for initializing and managing services on servers, where uptime, resource allocation, and specific daemon behaviors are important, their impact on a typical desktop or laptop is generally minimal.

    For most personal devices, the primary functions of a service manager occur largely out of sight. As long as the system boots reliably and applications run smoothly, the underlying service manager rarely registers as a significant factor in the daily user experience.

    For many, including myself, systemd simply works without much fuss. My choice to stick with it isn't due to strong conviction or deep technical analysis, but rather the simple fact that I've rarely, if ever, had to interact with it directly. For my personal desktop and laptop, it reliably handles booting, service management, and shutdown in the background. If it's not broken and isn't hindering my daily computing, there's no compelling reason to explore alternatives.

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    [–] juipeltje@lemmy.world 16 points 3 weeks ago

    I don't care about the init system, however i do love void mainly because of the package manager.

    [–] snd@discuss.tchncs.de 16 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

    I have to say as someone who uses NixOS I love systemd, because it makes a lot of things very easy. For example hardening services ( systemd-analyze security) or replacing cron (system timer).

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    [–] DanForever@lemmy.world 14 points 3 weeks ago (9 children)
    [–] HereIAm@lemmy.world 29 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

    All I hear about it is that it doesn't follow the Unix philosophy of a program should do one thing and do it well. And while it does seem quite large and do a lot of things, out of all the times I have broken my system, systemd has never been to blame.

    Edit: deleted duplicate comment.

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    [–] lepinkainen@lemmy.world 12 points 3 weeks ago (6 children)

    It tries to do everything.

    Think of a thing you want to do in Linux and there is a systemd plugin for it. It’s not the unix way

    [–] jim3692@discuss.online 14 points 3 weeks ago

    Wait until you learn about the Linux kernel and the plethora of modules and patches

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    [–] yen@europe.pub 13 points 3 weeks ago

    Artix with openrc

    [–] Gork@sopuli.xyz 13 points 3 weeks ago (7 children)

    Normie here, what's wrong with systemd?

    [–] rtxn@lemmy.world 35 points 3 weeks ago (6 children)

    Some people think it handles too many low-level systems. It's a valid concern because if systemd itself were to become compromised (like Xz Utils was) or a serious bug was introduced, all of the userland processes would be affected. People who are stuck in the 90s and think that the Unix philosophy is still relevant will also point out that it's a needlessly complex software suite and we should all go back to writing initscripts in bash.

    Red Hat, the owner of systemd, has also had its fair share of controversies. It's a company that many distrust.

    Ultimately, those whose opinion mattered the most decided that systemd's benefits outweigh the risks and drawbacks. Debian held a vote to determine the project's future regarding init systems. Arch Linux replaced initscripts because systemd was simply better, and replicating and maintaining its features (like starting services once their dependencies are running) with initscripts would've been unjustifiably complicated.

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    [–] callyral@pawb.social 12 points 3 weeks ago

    Void Linux, although I use NixOS nowadays.

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