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Tulsi Gabbard left no doubt when she testified to Congress about Iran’s nuclear program earlier this year.

The country was not building a nuclear weapon, the national intelligence director told lawmakers, and its supreme leader had not reauthorized the dormant program even though it had enriched uranium to higher levels.

But Donald Trump dismissed the assessment of U.S. spy agencies during an overnight flight back to Washington as he cut short his trip to the Group of Seven summit to focus on the escalating conflict between Israel and Iran.

“I don’t care what she said,” Trump told reporters. In his view, Iran was “very close” to having a nuclear bomb.

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[–] Englishgrinn@lemmy.ca 13 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

The truth doesn't really matter. Israel will get their war, and the US will lumber into it behind them.

What's crazy to me is apparently the US has become so polarized, so used to division that pointing out Israel is acting like bloodthirsty psychos is somehow supporting Iran, or Hamas before that. It's like their whole culture has evaporated any nuance at all. Only diametrically opposed good and evil battling forever. Professional wrestling stories with Heels and Faces divided by clear black lines.

[–] HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club 1 points 40 minutes ago

It is the only thing conservatives/fascists have left.

[–] rumimevlevi 1 points 16 minutes ago

Where are the zionist who claimes that iran was building a nuke?

[–] underwire212@lemm.ee 1 points 17 minutes ago

How exactly does one become a spy?

[–] rayyy@lemmy.world 12 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

Quick, dust off the "weapons of mass destruction" propaganda.

[–] xzot746@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 hour ago

Came here to say the exact same thing.

It doesn't matter if it is true or not (not just this topic) but if you repeat the lie enough and gaslight the public it becomes true, and if it doesn't so what, what are you going to do about it.

NOTHING that is what they are counting on.

Keep up the protests, the No Kings protest was huge even if MSM is downplaying it.

[–] zarathustra0@lemmy.world 2 points 51 minutes ago (1 children)

Did Netanyahu get his hands on the pee tapes?

[–] HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club 2 points 39 minutes ago

They can probably use Epstein's tapes.

[–] VeryInterestingTable@jlai.lu 38 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

First, weaken the commercial aviation in your country. Second, start calling everything terrorism. Third, start yet another war in the middle east.

Your guy is desperately looking for another 911.

[–] root_beer@midwest.social 1 points 45 minutes ago

I’m expecting a false-flag attack here soon to give him an excuse to officially pull the US into it

[–] OutlierBlue@lemmy.ca 22 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

That's fine. Iraq didn't have WMDs either. They just need a lie to sell it to the public.

[–] xyzzy@lemm.ee 21 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago) (3 children)

In [Trump's] view, Iran was “very close” to having a nuclear bomb.

Those are clearly Netanyahu's words in his mouth. Netanyahu has been loudly and confidently saying that at regular intervals since 2012. Iran is always weeks away.

[–] rumimevlevi 1 points 14 minutes ago

Since the 90's

[–] root_beer@midwest.social 1 points 43 minutes ago

They’ve been saying “any day now” for twenty-some years

[–] Breezy@lemmy.world 8 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

At the same time Isreal is like the only country that probably has nukes yet refuses to acknowledge it.

[–] Nastybutler@lemmy.world 1 points 21 minutes ago

They're pretty open about it

[–] Rozauhtuno@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 2 hours ago

Why that damn bullet had to hit the firefighter instead?

I'm so fucking tired.

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 4 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Pretty consistently it's been reported that Iran has been increasing its capabilities to quickly create a nuclear weapon should they need to, rather than simply embarking immediately on constructing nukes.

And honestly, at this point, they'd be stupid not to, since the main negotiator (the US) of their opposing coalition has proven to be utterly unwilling to maintain any agreements regarding denuclearization for more than 4 years at a time.

[–] davepleasebehave@lemmy.world 4 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

at this point a Nuke in Iranian hands would probably calm the region down

[–] rbos@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 hour ago

A few, maybe. One just means you have to use it or lose it, I think. One is very different from several.

[–] 13igTyme@lemmy.world 4 points 2 hours ago

Trump is going to end up getting the spies killed like he did on his first term.

[–] cyrano@lemmy.dbzer0.com 21 points 5 hours ago
[–] peoplebeproblems@midwest.social 15 points 4 hours ago (2 children)

This whole thing still has me scratching my head.

Such a large portion of the West gets a raging boner about coming to Israel's aide. I get it from the strange doomsday cult belief where something about Israel at war triggers the rapture or some shit. But I don't really believe that's what the western world leaders actually believe.

Trump has his own reality, and only a divine entity understands what's going on in the space between his ears.

Ignoring Trump and the doomsday cult thing, the other things I can think of:

  1. US and Europe want an established western sympathizing military power in the middle-east. Some sort of remnant of the Cold war.

  2. US and Europe want a military western sympathizing military power with close proximity to the Suez Canal and red Sea, as well as the Mediterranean.

  3. The "Sampson Option" that Israel has is completely legitimate and Israel is ready to obliterate everyone if they don't get their way.

  4. There's some economic or strategic value the West won't acknowledge.

Even with all that, attack Iran? Iran is not remotely similar to Iraq. Iran will put up much more of a fight. It also won't be a "forever war" like fascists dream about.

[–] Aqarius@lemmy.world 2 points 1 hour ago

Because the fatwa declares: "Israel has a right to defend itself". Denying it is haram, and infidels must be punished.

At a certain point, it stops being about enforcing the fatwa, and becomes about defending your right to declare fatwas.

[–] xyzzy@lemm.ee 1 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

It's really not that complicated. Trump is a bully and loves piling on to prove he's the alpha male. But he's also a coward (like many bullies) and is afraid to wade into something that will spiral out of control. So he's trying to subjugate the government of Iran using threats so he can get the satisfaction of the former without the risk of the latter.

[–] FistingEnthusiast@lemmynsfw.com 88 points 6 hours ago (2 children)

He's an idiot who has never been able to distinguish between his fantasies and reality

He's spent a lifetime making shit up, and never being held to account for it

He's a child, and what's worse, he has dementia.

He also lies as easily as he breathes. Truth means nothing to him. He sees being honest as a weakness

[–] Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world 38 points 6 hours ago (2 children)

Just the person to entrust the most powerful military of the world with.

[–] dhork@lemmy.world 19 points 6 hours ago (7 children)

"But what choice do we have? Entrust the military to a lady? We'll take the dementia-addled toddler instead"

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[–] solsangraal@lemmy.zip 42 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

why tf would a fascist dictator give a rat's ass about "reasons" to plunge multiple countries into war? he wants war, that's what's going to happen

[–] cyrano@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Tbh this is not specific to trump. Gulf wars happened the same way.

[–] solsangraal@lemmy.zip 15 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

the difference is bush 1 & 2 made an effort to convince everyone their bullshit wars were justified. diaper fascist is literally saying "don't care"

the thing that'll shock me is if we're NOT at war within a month

[–] cyrano@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 5 hours ago (3 children)
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[–] iAvicenna@lemmy.world 5 points 4 hours ago

weapons of mass destruction?

[–] Gammelfisch@lemmy.world 3 points 3 hours ago

Both are Russian assets and Russia is building Iran's nuclear capabilities. Why are the fucking Saudis so quiet? They would like to destroy their largest oil competitor, Iran, like they did with Iraq.

[–] fluxion@lemmy.world 19 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

I wouldn't tryst Gabbard on this either since she's very likely a Russian agent and Iran is a partner to their war efforts.

[–] dhork@lemmy.world 11 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

On the bright side, though, if Russia is actively covering for Iran and Trump is aligning against that, then Putin might finally decide Trump has outlived his usefulness as an asset and send Trump some of his special tea....

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[–] Plebcouncilman@sh.itjust.works 23 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

Are we now choosing to believe what Tulsi says because it fits the narrative?

[–] octopus_ink@slrpnk.net 7 points 4 hours ago

If Trump doesn't believe her, then even from his demented perspective she shouldn't have the job. So which is it Donald? Does she ah, merit her position of authority and influence, or does she not?

[–] aesthelete@lemmy.world 1 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

Look, having nuclear...

[–] Kaput@lemmy.world 12 points 5 hours ago

We have irrefutable proof, that we can't show you, that Iran is stoning babies in the incubators with yellow cake.

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