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THE POLICE PROBLEM

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    The police problem is that police are policed by the police. Cops are accountable only to other cops, which is no accountability at all.

    99.9999% of police brutality, corruption, and misconduct is never investigated, never punished, never makes the news, so it's not on this page.

    When cops are caught breaking the law, they're investigated by other cops. Details are kept quiet, the officers' names are withheld from public knowledge, and what info is eventually released is only what police choose to release — often nothing at all.

    When police are fired — which is all too rare — they leave with 'law enforcement experience' and can easily find work in another police department nearby. It's called "Wandering Cops."

    When police testify under oath, they lie so frequently that cops themselves have a joking term for it: "testilying." Yet it's almost unheard of for police to be punished or prosecuted for perjury.

    Cops can and do get away with lawlessness, because cops protect other cops. If they don't, they aren't cops for long.

    The legal doctrine of "qualified immunity" renders police officers invulnerable to lawsuits for almost anything they do. In practice, getting past 'qualified immunity' is so unlikely, it makes headlines when it happens.

    All this is a path to a police state.

    In a free society, police must always be under serious and skeptical public oversight, with non-cops and non-cronies in charge, issuing genuine punishment when warranted.

    Police who break the law must be prosecuted like anyone else, promptly fired if guilty, and barred from ever working in law-enforcement again.

    That's the solution.

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Our definition of ‘cops’ is broad, and includes prison guards, probation officers, shitty DAs and judges, etc — anyone who has the authority to fuck over people’s lives, with minimal or no oversight.

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!abolition@slrpnk.net

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Randy Balko

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INFO

A demonstrator's guide to understanding riot munitions

Adultification

Cops aren't supposed to be smart

Don't talk to the police.

Killings by law enforcement in Canada

Killings by law enforcement in the United Kingdom

Killings by law enforcement in the United States

Know your rights: Filming the police

Three words. 70 cases. The tragic history of 'I can’t breathe' (as of 2020)

Police aren't primarily about helping you or solving crimes.

Police lie under oath, a lot

Police spin: An object lesson in Copspeak

Police unions and arbitrators keep abusive cops on the street

Shielded from Justice: Police Brutality and Accountability in the United States

So you wanna be a cop?

When the police knock on your door

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ORGANIZATIONS

Black Lives Matter

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Innocence Project

The Marshall Project

Movement Law Lab

NAACP

National Police Accountability Project

Say Their Names

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[–] ininewcrow@lemmy.ca 108 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)

Or why average Americans don't just do the same and go rob a bank or convenience store ... just arrest people randomly, zip tie them, take all the money and leave everyone behind.

The best part would be the local news reporting the masked robbers looked like this and ask if anyone has spotted them

[–] fyzzlefry@retrolemmy.com 9 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] sturmblast@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I noticed that too, I hope they get what's coming to them.

[–] ShinkanTrain@lemmy.ml 77 points 1 week ago (6 children)

Are the Iranian terrorist cells in the room with us right now? Why not go with the much more common example of white supremacist domestic terrorism?

[–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 56 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Because media gaslighting works so well that people usually aren't aware that they've been affected by counterfactual narratives before they start actively reinforcing them by repetition.

The Google trends for this particular phrase:

[–] boydster@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 week ago

It's hard not to wonder if the bump back in late March or April was from the folks selling stories right now

[–] catty@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Will the real terrorists please stand up?

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[–] skisnow@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Why not go with the much more common example of white supremacist

Because that'd be preaching to the choir. Trump voters don't care about white supremacist attacks.

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[–] Neuromorph@lemm.ee 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

what part of "thought exercise" do you not understand. its an extrapolation of current events, and hypothetical scenarios. not a statement of a factual event that has happened. You cant imagine this occuring?

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[–] PunkRockSportsFan@fanaticus.social 70 points 1 week ago (1 children)

So foreign terrorists could cosplay as domestic terrorists and we’d have no way of knowing which kind of terrorist they are?

Interesting times we live in

If they come for you, don’t worry your bags will meet you at the destination. Get on the train.

[–] Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 15 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Well....if they're white, domestic terrorists.

If they're arabic, foreign terrorists.

It gets really fun when the blue man group join in. Then you don't know WHATS going on!

First they came for the immigrants

Then they came for the activists

Then they came for the blue man group

Finally America had had enough

[–] Witchfire@lemmy.world 13 points 1 week ago

If they're white, "lone wolves with mental health disorders"

[–] KurtVonnegut@mander.xyz 37 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Yes although the recent political murders shows that you can literally just dress up as a cop and drive around in a fake police car shooting people in the head. This stuff has always been possible.

[–] skisnow@lemmy.ca 22 points 1 week ago (1 children)

The difference now is that refusing to show ID used to be grounds for most people to call the real police.

[–] 100_kg_90_de_belin@feddit.it 17 points 1 week ago

And get shot by both

[–] surph_ninja@lemmy.world 25 points 1 week ago (1 children)

‘This is madness! Iran could do what we do all over the world!’

[–] Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Iran has drones, and shoots targets withoutfirst confirming if the target even is their intended target?

I thought only the USA did that!

[–] surph_ninja@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

No, they don’t. They’ve been extremely reserved in target selection.

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[–] solsangraal@piefed.zip 24 points 1 week ago (2 children)

amplifying the "iranian terrorists are coming to get us" narrative hurts brown people more than it helps anything

[–] Anomalocaris@lemm.ee 12 points 1 week ago

using one racist narrative to fight another.

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[–] catty@lemmy.world 22 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

And here starts the planting of the idea that Iran is going to attack American soil... Media outlets including posts like this on social media are now shifting the narrative to make American's fearful and to help shift blame and hatred onto Iran. It's as if the much publicised ICE raids with narrative about their lack of identification was actually planned, or something. There's like a playbook of this.

[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 15 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Yeah, our ally attacked iran without cassus belli, iran retaliated, and we bombed iran in response.

If iran chooses to attack us in response we should br mad at our president for starting it and regardless we should demand peace and accountability

[–] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

our ally... we... us... we... our... we...

Fuck the nationalist "we". Cult speak. Never ally with fascists. Never support genocide.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_religion

[–] NigelFrobisher@aussie.zone 7 points 1 week ago

Not just US media. The Australian news went from “What the heck is Israel doing?” to planting seeds for both the idea of a terror attack on US soil and Iranian “regime change” into public space in only four days. They all fall into line without question when the US is writing the narrative.

[–] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 21 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Fuck this imperial terrorism propaganda. USA is the actual terror regime. Get a clue, libs.

[–] sturmblast@lemmy.world 19 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Why would you direct this at libs when the right are the ones going batshit crazy?

[–] lev@slrpnk.net 12 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Leftists do not like libs. Many leftists believe that liberals contribute to setting up the breeding ground that fascists rise from. Many leftists believe that liberals partake in a system that even allows for fascism to rise.

I do not care to explain further. Research can be done, or perhaps someone else with a bit more energy than I right now can jump in :)

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[–] Lumisal@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Far Right wing (Republicans) literally having full control of everything

Blames only the libs

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[–] Anomalocaris@lemm.ee 5 points 1 week ago

the libs know about it, they helped set it up.

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[–] peteyestee@feddit.org 16 points 1 week ago (1 children)

There's no reason everyone that protests shouldn't be dressed exactly like ice.

[–] bytesonbike@discuss.online 2 points 6 days ago

As long as they're not wearing any badges or police insignia, this is the way.

[–] Kalysta@lemm.ee 16 points 1 week ago (1 children)

This is the plan

Trump thinks that people will then demand a strongman president to protect them.

[–] Statick@programming.dev 10 points 1 week ago

I don't think Trump thinks this. I think his puppeteers think this and he is just the shameless puppet.

[–] RadioFreeArabia@lemmy.cafe 14 points 1 week ago

A far more likely scenario is a certain secret agency will do so as a false flag operation. Public opinion in the US is still not supportive of a war against Iran but that could change.

[–] WiseScorpio@lemmy.world 13 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Why do we have to pin a country on this action? Sure, now, it would be easy for Iran to do something. It would be just as easy for some group of people, like those who tried to kidnap Gretchen Widmar, or Vance Boelter wannabes.

Trump, Pam Bondi, and Tom Homan have unleashed chaos. Plus SCOTUS.

[–] SkyezOpen@lemmy.world 12 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Because a certain demographic of the US doesn't give a shit unless something personally affects them. Homegrown terrorism doesn't affect them because obviously they won't be the targets. Iranian terrorism is scary to them.

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[–] Jankatarch@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago (1 children)

We keep pinning shit on other countries. My parents used to say "there are starving children in Africa" as if there weren't any homeless children in our neighborhood.

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[–] faythofdragons@slrpnk.net 13 points 1 week ago
[–] pineapplelover@lemm.ee 10 points 1 week ago (1 children)

New fear just dropped. I'm not going anywhere fuck this. I mean I already avoid crowds, now I'm gonna avoid them even more

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[–] nucleative@lemmy.world 10 points 1 week ago

Pretty sure I know what the top Halloween costume will be this year!

[–] Gammelfisch@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago

Krasnov and his fucking thugs set the precedence.

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