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The absurdity of the proposal is already in the title, and shows how motonormativity is spread all over the world.

Berlin has a very good public transit system, and a few 30 km/h zones cannot be that bad.

I would love to hear opinions from someone who lives there!

crossposted from: https://mastodon.uno/users/rivoluzioneurbanamobilita/statuses/114732266280428499

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[–] copdeb@crazypeople.online 13 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

This could be a great example of the "mental fenze" cognitive model. We remove things without understanding why were there in the first place

[–] jimjam5@lemmy.world 12 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

Seriously.

Case in point, I had a student once who had a note on file to watch for seizures. Me and other teachers/staff were puzzled as this student didn’t have this worry of seizures the years before — turns out the children’s home they were housed at took them OFF the anti-seizure medication they were on, noting that the student didn’t need the medicine anymore as they were not showing signs of seizures. WTF?!

Sorry to spew political rhetoric like vomit everywhere, but this reminds me of the same self-inflicted idiocy of trump and his cultists.

[–] Amir@lemmy.ml 5 points 5 hours ago

To be honest, anti-seizure medication has significant side effects, maybe they were hoping the seizures were gone so they could stop needing the medication

[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 15 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

My small town in the UK was going to be a pilot for a blanket 20mph speed limit.

This was interpreted by the local Insane People Facebook group as being woke, a war on motorists, a New World Order 15 Minute Cities scheme and a Chinese style program to prevent people going anywhere.

They then voted in a Reform Party local council, who promptly delivered on their promises to cut waste and loss DOGE style, by closing a local community centre...

Now the Insane People Facebook page is demanding to know why Labour has closed it. 🤡

The mad thing is, it's practically impossible to drive at more than 20mph anyway due to all the potholes. We're apparently twinned with the surface of the moon.

[–] Treczoks@lemmy.world 8 points 10 hours ago (2 children)

That's something I noticed in the last two weeks that I spent in the UK. You simply cannot reach the speed limit. If you actually drive through a normal UK city at the given speed limits, you'll lose your dentures or your teeth, and/or your car.

I was sent by my GPS on a "road" that was about as wide as my car. Left and right it was greens, more than a mans height, and the "road" zig-zagged through nowhere. You had to drive at walking speed around the corners, as there was traffic in both directions. Official speed limit: 50mph / 80km/h

[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 3 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

Yeah, plenty of those about. Have fun getting past that caravan, only to find a tractor in front of it, or one of the locals in a Range Rover two inches from your back bumper who is annoyed that you're not flying around a blind bend at the speed limit.

I like the 60mph roads with the nice dry stone walls alongside. A guy I work with hit one a few winters back. It bit into his bumper and spun him like a top. Those things were built to last.

[–] Treczoks@lemmy.world 2 points 10 hours ago

Yep, experienced both on that trip. Except the oncoming vehicle was the garbage truck, and I had a taxi behind me.

And the stone wall street was terrifying. It had about a hands breadth of green growing on it that made it look more harmless.

[–] dustyData@lemmy.world 3 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago)

There's a reason it is like that in most of the world, and it is rather stupid. Speed limits are calculated, not mandated.

Transit authorities record the average speed of drivers in an unmarked stretch of road. Then the speed limit is that average plus some number chosen by local authorities, rounded up. Then the government go ahead and say, "if it is not measured, it is 50". And you end up with ridiculous numbers all over the place.

That's why people say that to limit speed you have to build for the speed desired. Ordering a speed limits lower than the one people do spontaneously, without changing road geometry, doesn't reduce the overall speed of traffic. It just increases the number of infractions, a common police funding strategy.

The most successful speed limit projects include infrastructure budgets to change the roads.

[–] PlexSheep@infosec.pub 4 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

Was in Berlin last week and it was like an island of transit infrastructure in the sea of delayed S-Bahn and long/mid distance travel that is Germany. S-Bahn, Trams, Busses, U-Bahn, and it's all frequent and not undersized!

[–] cows_are_underrated@feddit.org 5 points 11 hours ago

This. It devinetively took some time to adjust to just going to the next station waiting a few minutes and then driving where you want to. Driving a car in Berlin is borderline stupidity. The public transit is literally insane.

[–] Goldholz@lemmy.blahaj.zone 12 points 16 hours ago

CDU never changes with their stupidity

[–] Goldholz@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 14 hours ago

Die Freiluftirrenanstalt Berlin

[–] SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org 101 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Conservatives won the last election in Berlin in case you were wondering.

[–] Saleh@feddit.org 2 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

They didn't win really. There was a coalition of the "Social Democrats", Greens and Left. Because the "Social Democrats" are utterly incompetent, the state election had to be repeated because they fucked up the election process.

In the repeated election the Greens and Left had about the same votes and the "Social Democrats" lost hard. Still the coalition maintained a majority and could have continued. Instead the "Social Democrats" betrayed the coalition, claimed the election was a "clear signal against it" and became the smaller partner to the nationalist Berlin CDU, who campaigned on the notion that your surname shows whether you are a "real" German or merely a German citizen.

It is the classical liberals backstabbing progressives to embrace right/far-right politics move.

Now this current government has set out to destroy every achievement of the old government while ignoring the grave issues with housing, infrastructure, social security, climate mitigation...

Now of course after two years of that, the current government is deeply unpopular, but such is the cycle of Berlin. Have a reasonable government manage somewhat, then people elect the reactionaries, believing they would "fix" things only to fuck everything up more and have the progressive government after try to pull the cart out of the ~~dirt~~ sinkhole.

[–] harmsy@lemmy.world 2 points 5 hours ago

such is the cycle of ~~Berlin~~ every democracy ever

FTFY

[–] SchadeMarmelade@feddit.org 2 points 11 hours ago

So lets go ahead and conserve destructive policies.

[–] sdcSpade@lemmy.zip 64 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Let's bring back CFCs. The ozone layer has recovered, so it's fine.

[–] CitizenKong@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago

Don't give them ideas, they already want to bring back asbestos.

[–] deaddigger@sh.itjust.works 15 points 1 day ago (2 children)

It hasnt it will take another 60 years to fully recover

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[–] Ekpu@lemmy.world 82 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Yep sounds absurd. As I unterstand it the problem is that you need a reason for 30 km/h zones. The reason was the air quality which is now better so there is no reason anymore. Some zones may be kept because the streets are used by school kids.

I think this is still absurd and good 30 km/h zones with synced traffic lights can yield a good traffic flow.

[–] mcv@lemm.ee 43 points 1 day ago (10 children)

The fact that they have improved air quality is not sufficient reason? Do they think air quality is like painting a house, that it only has to be done every couple of years?

[–] jjjalljs@ttrpg.network 40 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I can't speak to Germany specifically, but a lot of people don't think very much at all. They feel things, and make up words to justify their feelings. (We all do this to some extent, but for some people it seems like that's the only process running)

[–] utopiah@lemmy.world 3 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

lot of people don’t think very much at all. They feel things, and make up words to justify their feelings

Right... and now they have magical eightballs that can justify with plausible sounding strings of words (LLMs) any feeling they might have.

We're doing great as a species! /s

[–] in4apenny@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago)

Alien 1: "The humans appear to be sacrificing their whole species for their god."

Alien 2: "Which god? Yahweh? Abraham? Krishna?"

Alien 1: "No, it appears to be called 'Money.' Even their so-called atheists worship it, perhaps especially so."

[–] albert180@piefed.social 9 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

They have a new conservative government in Berlin which wants to end "the war against cars" and rolls every progress back. They also remove bike lanes "because they cost parking spaces"

It doesn't make sense, they are conservatives after all

[–] Scrollone@feddit.it 2 points 13 hours ago

I wonder why conservatives are so retarded, in each country.

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[–] outhouseperilous@lemmy.dbzer0.com 22 points 1 day ago (2 children)

The air is better, but if we keep not ruining it, it will be too good.

Then the lungs of our children will grow weak.

[–] Hupf@feddit.org 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The children will not be ready for the mines then.

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[–] bimbimboy@lemmy.world 32 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Shit, I laughed out loud here. This is some The Onion shit

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[–] caesaravgvstvs@feddit.org 43 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Can't wait for these useless assholes to be voted out next year

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[–] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org 25 points 1 day ago (7 children)

motonormativity

I like the new slur!

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