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Useless. Time for the Social Democrats to form their own party.

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[–] SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca 5 points 8 hours ago (2 children)

There are probably a dozen things they could (and should) impeach Trump for. This isn't actually one of them. Presidents are authorized to do air strikes.

The left is usually not as ignorant of the facts as the right, but this is one of those cases where the left is ignoring the facts. The President has authorization from Congress to do limited military action. Should all of the Presidents before been impeached for doing similar one-off air strikes? Seems you want to impeach Trump based on dumb memes about this being the start of WWIII rather it being an air strike.

Did Obama get impeached for sending a SEAL Team into Pakistan without getting authorization from congress?

Also Iran does in fact have a nuclear weapons program. The civilian reactor is supplied Uranium from Russia that's already enriched to around 5% which is what you use for civilian energy generation. Iran had Uranium enriched to 60% which isn't useful for civilian reactors and none of the Uranium enriched in Iran is used in their one civilian nuclear reactor. The UN has reported that Iran is keeping secrets from them and there's been an increase in their Uranium enrichment, which again is entirely a weapons program, the uranium for civilian use comes from Russia.

So congratulations, instead of impeaching Trump for doing all of the corruption, or for deploying Marines on US soil without authorization, or for falsely declaring everything an emergency so he can do stupid tariff stuff, you've created a narrative that the left tried to impeach him for protecting Americans from the "Death to America" country's nuclear weapons. I guess the left is fine with the corruption and deploying the military within the US, but only take action to come to the defense of the Ayatollah's nuclear weapons program.

The left only seems to want to attack Trump when they have non-existent chance of winning or even convincing anyone of their position. On issues where the left has a strong case, they do nothing.

[–] MuskyMelon@lemmy.world 1 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Hello AI friend! Nice grammar and spelling.

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[–] Zezzoz@lemmy.world 30 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

The US is an inescapable hell. I pity the people living there right now.

[–] aeternum@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 points 10 hours ago (2 children)

unfortunately, a lot of americans don't have the means to leave :/

[–] Ricaz@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 10 hours ago

Also, good luck even getting a visa in a developed country unless you have a master's degree

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[–] ristoril_zip@lemmy.zip 43 points 18 hours ago (2 children)

Well that was nice of them to make a list of who wants to be primaried

[–] Coyote_sly@lemmy.world 17 points 17 hours ago

God damn right. Primary every last one of those gutless fuckers and never cast another vote for any of them if they represent you.

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What the actual fuck is wrong with these idiots?

[–] RattlerSix@lemmy.world -4 points 6 hours ago (8 children)

I'm not saying chill out about the attack, I'm saying chill out about the impeachment vote. It was a failure from the start. Democrats aren't fascist for voting against it. The only real effect of voting against it is that it saved us two months of republican's soundbites about how "trump derangement syndrome is so bad it's making them want to take away the ability to defend America" and shit like that.

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[–] IzzyScissor@lemmy.world 53 points 20 hours ago (6 children)

Here's the full list of House Democrats who voted to table the impeachment articles.

Pete Aguilar (California)
Gabe Amo (Rhode Island)
Jake Auchincloss (Massachusetts)
Wesley Bell (Missouri)
Ami Bera (California)
Don Beyer (Virginia)
Sanford Bishop (Georgia)
Julia Brownley (California)
Nikki Budzinski (Illinois)
Janelle Bynum (Oregon)
Salud Carbajal (California)
Andre Carson (Indiana)
Ed Case (Hawaii)
Sean Casten (Illinois)
Kathy Castor (Florida)
Sheila Cherfilus-McCormick (Florida)
Katherine Clark (Massachusetts)
Emanuel Cleaver (Missouri)
Jim Clyburn (South Carolina)
Herb Conaway (New Jersey)
Lou Correa (California)
Jim Costa (California)
Joe Courtney (Connecticut)
Angie Craig (Minnesota)
Jason Crow (Colorado)
Henry Cuellar (Texas)
Sharice Davids (Kansas)
Don Davis (North Carolina)
Madeleine Dean (Pennsylvania)
Rosa DeLauro (Connecticut)
Suzan DelBene (Washington)
Chris Deluzio (Pennsylvania)
Debbie Dingell (Michigan)
Sarah Elfreth (Maryland)
Cleo Fields (Louisiana)
Shomari Figures (Alabama)
Lizzie Fletcher (Texas)
Bill Foster (Illinois)
Lois Frankel (Florida)
Laura Gillen (New York)
Jared Golden (Maine)
Dan Goldman (New York)
Vicente Gonzalez (Texas)
Maggie Goodlander (New Hampshire)
Josh Gottheimer (New Jersey)
Adam Gray (California)
Josh Harder (California)
Jim Himes (Connecticut)
Steven Horsford (Nevada)
Chrissy Houlahan (Pennsylvania)
Steny Hoyer (Maryland)
Val Hoyle (Oregon)
Hakeem Jeffries (New York)
Julie Johnson (Texas)
Marcy Kaptur (Ohio)
Bill Keating (Massachusetts)
Timothy Kennedy (New York)
Ro Khanna (California)
Greg Landsman (Ohio)
Rick Larsen (Washington)
John Larson (Connecticut)
George Latimer (New York)
Susie Lee (Nevada)
Mike Levin (California)
Sam Liccardo (California)
Ted Lieu (California)
Zoe Lofgren (California)
Stephen Lynch (Massachusetts)
Seth Magaziner (Rhode Island)
John Mannion (New York)
Lucy McBath (Georgia)
Sarah McBride (Delaware)
April McClain Delaney (Maryland)
Jennifer McClellan (Virginia)
Betty McCollum (Minnesota)
Kristen McDonald Rivet (Michigan)
Morgan McGarvey (Kentucky)
Gregory Meeks (New York)
Grace Meng (New York)
Kweisi Mfume (Maryland)
Joe Morelle (New York)
Kelly Morrison (Minnesota)
Jared Moskowitz (Florida)
Seth Moulton (Massachusetts)
Frank Mrvan (Indiana)
Richard Neal (Massachusetts)
Joe Neguse (Colorado)
Johnny Olszewski (Maryland)
Frank Pallone (New Jersey)
Jimmy Panetta (California)
Chris Pappas (New Hampshire)
Nancy Pelosi (California)
Marie Gluesenkamp Perez (Washington)
Scott Peters (California)
Brittany Pettersen (Colorado)
Nellie Pou (New Jersey)
Mike Quigley (Illinois)
Jamie Raskin (Maryland)
Josh Riley (New York)
Deborah Ross (North Carolina)
Pat Ryan (New York)
Andrea Salinas (Oregon)
Mary Gay Scanlon (Pennsylvania)
Brad Schneider (Illinois)
Hillary Scholten (Michigan)
Kim Schrier (Washington)
Bobby Scott (Virginia)
Terri Sewell (Alabama)
Adam Smith (Washington)
Eric Sorensen (Illinois)
Darren Soto (Florida)
Greg Stanton (Arizona)
Haley Stevens (Michigan)
Marilyn Strickland (Washington)
Suhas Subramanyam (Virginia)
Tom Suozzi (New York)
Emilia Sykes (Ohio)
Paul Tonko (New York)
Ritchie Torres (New York)
Lori Trahan (Massachusetts)
Derek Tran (California)
Lauren Underwood (Illinois)
Juan Vargas (California)
Gabe Vasquez (New Mexico)
Marc Veasey (Texas)
Eugene Vindman (Virginia)
Debbie Wasserman Schultz (Florida)
George Whitesides (California)
[–] nickiwest@lemmy.world 16 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

My representative, who is generally a pretty progressive guy, is on this list. A local journalist asked about his vote, and the statement from his office was that the congressman is waiting for a classified briefing on the Iran strikes to help determine whether the president broke the law.

I know that we live in a world where we expect not only a 24-hour news cycle, but 24-hour resolutions to all issues. Having a solid argument and proper evidence for impeachment is the sort of thing that moves more slowly than we would like.

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[–] shawn1122@lemm.ee 20 points 20 hours ago

Ro Khanna, Hakeem Jeffries and of course Nancy Pelosi.

[–] hark@lemmy.world 7 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

Ah, Jim Clyburn, the jackass who helped Biden win the primary and put us on the path to the second Trump term.

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[–] sommerset@thelemmy.club 1 points 9 hours ago

Isn't it WFD? Worker families party?

[–] Tuxman@sh.itjust.works 19 points 18 hours ago

The day Americans realized no one was coming to save them 🫂

[–] bizza@lemmy.zip 18 points 19 hours ago

He's already been impeached twice in his previous presidency, he shouldn't even be sitting where he's at

[–] Buske@lemmy.world 53 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

Welp There it is, on record, Both sides are the same.

[–] wpb@lemmy.world 2 points 12 hours ago

Reaching obvious conclusions based on observations in reality is tankie shit, please refrain from doing so.

[–] RickyRigatoni@retrolemmy.com 22 points 20 hours ago

I knew both sides were bad, but I didn't realize the rot was infested this badly.

[–] explodicle@sh.itjust.works 26 points 21 hours ago (8 children)

Nobody who said "blue no matter who" in 2024 is allowed to say "what the actual fuck" at this.

[–] keegomatic@lemmy.world 8 points 16 hours ago

The alternative being…? What, third party candidates? Are you kidding? The only alternative to “blue no matter who” is more “red” and as you can see, there is literally zero support from “red” whereas there’s at least a substantial fraction from “blue.”

I don’t think many people who said “blue no matter who” are actually very surprised by this, because the phrase is not coming from die hard supporters, it’s coming from anyone with basic logic skills.

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[–] Floon@lemmy.ml 101 points 1 day ago

128 Democrats join House Republicans to defend fascist dictator

[–] ZombieMantis@lemmy.world 36 points 22 hours ago

Jesus McFucking Christ.

[–] SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world 74 points 1 day ago (5 children)

128 democrats are actually Republicans,

America is slowly learning both sides have the same goals.

[–] Resonosity@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 8 hours ago

Both sides being the Right and Center-Right.

Of course the Left has no room at the table for any of this.

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[–] TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world 41 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

Still "both sides are not the same"? Even if Democrats have slight majority in both or either houses, they still dilute policies to appease the fascists from stonewalling. Meanwhile, the fascists legislate every unspeakable evil policies and Democrats don't even try to resist as opposition.

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[–] insomniac@sh.itjust.works 33 points 22 hours ago (3 children)

Really disappointed in my Congress woman, Sarah Elfreth. I wrote her an email and she responded with basically “that’s what they told me to do!”

[–] Mustakrakish@lemmy.world 15 points 18 hours ago

Reply with "So what is the point of you?"

[–] Manalith@midwest.social 29 points 22 hours ago

Gotta share a screenshot of that email if it actually gives any detail, basically confirming the system rigging and complacency from members of said system, send it to some independent journalist or something.

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[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 42 points 23 hours ago

Oh yeah, and all of these 128 Democrats will be very disappointed about something evil that the chertondoes later and "wish they would have voted differently"

Fuck all of them

[–] HugeNerd@lemmy.ca 14 points 20 hours ago

He's still useful to Israel. Bibi has some Raytheon catalog pages he circled items on.

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