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lemm.ee has shut down for good (sh.itjust.works)
submitted 20 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago) by WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.works to c/fediverse@lemmy.ml
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lemm.ee has shut down at 00:14 UTC.

unfortunately I realized too late that I have had hundreds of saved links to posts and comments from there, so I did not have enough time to save them, but anyways it is interesting that maybe a third of the post links I could try were dead. I think linkrot is happening much faster here than on reddit, even if just counting deleted posts.

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[–] uxellodunum@lemmy.ml 2 points 25 minutes ago* (last edited 23 minutes ago)

A solution to this is Nostr. One identity across the entire network.

Twitter-like Platform/client dies overnight? No problem, all data still there.

Reddit-like platform/client dies overnight? No problem, all data still there.

PC dies overnight? No problem, all data still there.

Data is sync'd across multiple relays, you can run your own, and clients are interoperable.

It's my go-to now, for everything. A person's posts, their followers/audience, chats, etc never needs to be migrated.

Media is stored using the Blossom protocol which was created for Nostr.

V4V(Value 4 Value) is also a thing, so instead of just Likes/Reactions you can tip/Zap Sats (Bitcoin over Lightning) but that's optional.

[–] golden_zealot@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 hours ago

https://youtu.be/ZOVkYAxHvkk?t=51

[–] kratoz29@lemmy.zip 10 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Damn, since I saw the warning thread I was hurrying my slow ass to back up my stuff, which I gladly did (some days ago), lemmy.zip is my new home now.

I feel sorry for the users that didn't get the chance to backup their stuff... An auto backup feature for Lemmy backend might be worth checking out perhaps?

[–] TheObviousSolution@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 hours ago

At the very least, social networks like this really need a two server type system: the authenticator who identifies that you are really who you say you are and handles personal settings, communication, and access to the fediverse, and the content provider that hosts the communities.

[–] Majestic@lemmy.ml 11 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

It'll be greatly missed. It was nice to have an instance with a reasonable defederation policy where I could interact with anyone basically.

[–] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 16 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

Nice for you, bad for the mods. Only way to do that without outsourcing mental strain to other people is to self host

[–] Zealousideal_Fox_900@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 2 hours ago

Yeah I remember I few people saying modding .ee was hell because of infinite streams of users from the same instances and their refusal to defederate

[–] Flickerby@lemmy.zip 7 points 11 hours ago

RIP home server, you will be missed

[–] OddMinus1@sh.itjust.works 7 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

I'm sure I was sufficiently notified, but I am not big on reading updates on ny instace, so this came as a surpise just now.

Thanks for the server! Onwards to the next!

[–] nokturne213@sopuli.xyz 1 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

The original shut down thread was posted over 3 weeks ago.

https://sopuli.xyz/post/28167574

[–] k0mprssd@lemmy.zip 24 points 15 hours ago

🫡 you were good to us .ee, may you forever rest in peace.

[–] ABetterTomorrow@sh.itjust.works 23 points 17 hours ago

It was my first home. I thank them for bringing me in.

[–] inlandempire@jlai.lu 45 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

Goodbye ee

[–] iso@lemy.lol 17 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago)

You were waiting for this one for a month, aren't you? :)

[–] fakir@piefed.social 27 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

Hello world, lemmee refugee here, & first post on piefed! I had exported my settings before the ship went down, figured we could import it in another instance to save my comments and communities, but I don't see any option to import here. Does piefed speak with Lemmy yet it's not part of Lemmy?

[–] Skavau@piefed.social 16 points 18 hours ago

Piefed speaks to Lemmy instances, yes.

You can import data here: https://piefed.social/user/settings/import_export

[–] Dave@lemmy.nz 37 points 19 hours ago (3 children)

Deleting your account deletes your content, unlike deleting your Reddit account. Hence the linkrot.

I learnt pretty early on that saving posts using the save button was not a good way to save the information 😮‍💨

[–] ramble81@lemmy.zip 9 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

Not quite. If your comments federated out to an instance that either a) doesn’t get the delete request or b) ignores the delete request, your comments will very much stay out there in the fedeverse with not much you can do. Yes posts on the original instance may be gone, but anything that get pushed out via ActivityPub is a crap shoot.

[–] Dave@lemmy.nz 5 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

Yes with ActivityPub there's always failed federation. But Lemmy will send the delete request out when you delete your account. Other software or instances might not honour it, but the intent is there.

As opposed to reddit who do not remove comments when an account is deleted, only mark it as a comment from a deleted account.

I'm not against Lemmy's implementation, but it does require you to collect information you need at the time not assume it will always be there.

[–] ramble81@lemmy.zip 4 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago)

Ah, I get where you’re going with that and understand your view. My point was more for users who think that deleting an account will really get rid of it everywhere and I didn’t want them getting their hopes up.

[–] loki@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

That's weird. I moved over from lemm.ee and transferred data. The saved posts transferred too.

[–] Dave@lemmy.nz 7 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

No that's expected, as part of your profile info. But if the original authors delete the comments, then they will also be deleted in your saved items.

[–] loki@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 12 hours ago

Ah got it!

[–] MangoPenguin@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

Yeah bookmarks are a lot better than using specific save systems

[–] Dave@lemmy.nz 5 points 15 hours ago (2 children)

Bookmarks won't help if the content gets removed. You've got to copy the important information elsewhere.

I tend to use either a note app (Joplin) or a self-hosted wiki for that.

[–] MangoPenguin@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 2 hours ago

Yeah fair, most of my bookmarks aren't really things that are important to save, just funny things I want to share later or something.

[–] DaTingGoBrrr@lemmy.world 2 points 5 hours ago

I always take a screenshot because I am lazy but just copying the text, like you say, is better

[–] HiddenLayer555@lemmy.ml 6 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

Out of the loop, why did they shut down?

[–] nokturne213@sopuli.xyz 23 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

Not enough admins, and those there were burnt out.

[–] golden_zealot@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 hours ago

Furthermore, I thought that they were supposed to be a temporary instance for the reddit influx as well.

[–] ryannathans@aussie.zone 9 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago) (1 children)

The linkrot is real but not unexpected when anyone cat spin up and shut down instances. Nothing is forever

[–] WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.works 3 points 16 hours ago

It's mostly not because of instance shutdown though. especially on lemmy, because lots of posts are readable elsewhere after shutdown.

[–] Aku@lemmy.zip 12 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

I was literally filling out an application for another server when it went down. Sad day.

Unfortunately I waited too long and now I can’t see my subs that I wanted to migrate.

[–] Kirk@startrek.website 8 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

I think linkrot is happening much faster here than on reddit, even if just counting deleted posts.

Are you sure? Are lemm.ee posts showing as deleted for you? It looks like the copies of anything posted to lemm.ee still exist on the instances that it was federated with. Try this link !animation@lemm.ee, I am pretty sure it should still work on your instance.

[–] WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.works 2 points 18 hours ago

It's not all the lemm.ee posts, just a significant amount of them.

also in the meantime I realized my hundreds of lemm.ee links are not actually links to lemm.ee hosted posts, but just links to the lemm.ee view of them. I was just very often copying the wrong link that still worked, but wasn't the definitive one

[–] bruce_babbler@lemmy.zip 5 points 19 hours ago

🫡

[–] WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.works 5 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago) (1 children)

speaking of that, there was a userscript that is able to find the same post on other instances. I should look it up, in case it can also work with posts of offline instances

[–] 14th_cylon@lemmy.zip 5 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago) (2 children)

it should, as long as the post was synchronized in the past...

https://lemmy.zip/c/meta@lemm.ee

seekms your username was different on lemm.ee:

https://lemmy.zip/u/WhyJiffie@lemm.ee

[–] WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.works 3 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago) (1 children)

~~hmm that's interesting because I did not have a lemm.ee account! :D~~ just 3 tons of links to it.

edit: I misunderstood it, no I didn't have an account there

also in the meantime I did some research. it turns out I was probably remembering the Lemmy Universal Link Switcher userscript: https://greasyfork.org/en/scripts/469273-lemmy-universal-link-switcher

it can look up posts by their activitypub id, which is the de-facto ID of a post, that is same across all instances. this ID is the url of the content on the original instance. so, the following could be an activitypub id, if the post was actually created on lemm.ee: https://lemm.ee/post/64477597

to look up a post by this, the userscript uses the /api/v3/resolve_object API endpoint.
it searches your local instance, and if you are authenticated it also queries the host in the url, lemm.ee in this example. but of course this remote query does not work anymore.

now here comes the twist. I know I always read lemmy through sh.itjust.works, so whatever I saved should be known by this server. and the link that I save, often does not point to the origin instance, because clients work that way.
so it seems 2 lemm.ee links that I tried to look up were not actually posted there, because bmy server does not know a post that has this ap id, I just somehow got a link that points to the lemm.ee version of that post or comment........

Fortunately the messaging app I misuse for link collection always loads the title and image of the webpage, so by some manual work I should be able to find the actual links to each of them.

[–] davel@lemmy.ml 2 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago) 
$ curl -sw'\n' \
     https://lemmy.ml/api/v3/resolve_object?q=https%3A%2F%2Fsh.itjust.works%2Fcomment%2F19488525 \
     | jq -r '.comment.comment.content' | head -n 1
~~hmm that's interesting because I did not have a lemm.ee account! :D~~ just 3 tons of links to it.
$

Edit to add: Lemmy seems to URL-encode ':' and '/' sometimes :/

[–] ramble81@lemmy.zip 1 points 14 hours ago

Awesome. Zip managed to cache my ee account so I can at least refer back to any place I posted or commented off of ee. Wonder how long it’ll keep it for

[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 4 points 18 hours ago

o7

[–] davel@lemmy.ml 3 points 19 hours ago 
$ curl -sI https://lemm.ee/ | grep '^location:'
location: https://join-lemmy.org/
[–] mesamunefire@piefed.social 1 points 18 hours ago

Thanks for your support! It was great having you for the time we had you.