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submitted 11 months ago by OuPeaNut@alien.top to c/main@selfhosted.forum
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[-] kherge@beehaw.org 7 points 11 months ago

This is like the third or fourth article I have read about some company leaving AWS and saving what seems like a ton of money. The thing they have in common is that they don’t talk about security and other more mundane things such as infrastructure maintenance, which is one of many things you pay AWS to not worry about.

[-] thelastknowngod@lemm.ee 3 points 11 months ago

Agreed.

With that $230k/year you'd have to hire more engineers to maintain the servers in addition to the normal day to day stuff they would be doing more quickly in AWS.

You'd also have to simply find engineers who are willing to work on that platform. I personally would not. If someone else out there is willing to figure out the details on pxe booting or the ipmi differences across vendors or hacking snmp data from a switch into a modern monitoring stack, good luck to them. Those days are behind me though. I'm never going back.

[-] agressivelyPassive@feddit.de 2 points 11 months ago

You don't get that much "security", though. You're still responsible for actually securing all your applications and infrastructure components.

Also, this is a question of scale, just like with any make or buy decision. AWS isn't magic, it's just servers. For a small company, it makes sense to buy servers as a service, but at a certain scale, it stops making sense. This is no different from buying screws versus making your own screws.

[-] Craftkorb@alien.top 6 points 11 months ago

To the surprise of no one. Cloud services are convenient and easily scalable - Which makes it cost effective for a lot of work loads. But for all work loads? Of course not!

[-] VirtualMage@alien.top 5 points 11 months ago

"We saved $xxx by buying our own car instead of paying taxi every time.".

[-] Radium@sh.itjust.works 3 points 11 months ago

They barely touched on the time and money spent managing bare metal. I’d imagine that 230k a year is gonna get a big ol dent in it when their assumption of “modern servers make maintenance needs much lower” turns out to be false.

All for not hosting in AWS but I want to see one of these articles put out actual numbers about what it looks like to run. I want the we are two years into this and have learned X, Y, and Z post. And one that isn’t written by DHH

[-] Markd0ne@alien.top 5 points 11 months ago

We've come full circle.

[-] wiseguy9317@alien.top 4 points 11 months ago

No mention of software costs, ongoing software and hardware maintenance. There is no cookie cutter answer, it really depends on the specific systems.

[-] CatWeekends@alien.top 2 points 11 months ago

They say their monthly op-ex is $5500.

Our monthly operational expenditure (op-ex), which includes power, cooling, energy, and remote hands (although we seldom use this service), is now approximately $5,500.

[-] Expensive_Finger_973@alien.top 3 points 11 months ago

If you need it fast, or have unpredictable load spikes, then cloud makes sense. If not, then it costs more over time than the on-prem investment,the end.

[-] Ok-Mammoth-7743@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

I'm always a little surprised that we talk about NFS and Cloud Native, like gross figures without talking about payroll

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