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man, they must be paying good for this propaganda
in other news, i finally got banned from that shithole, i guess i supported ukraine too much
Imagine how ML would react if you used Davel’s sentence in the context of Gaza. They really have no consistency in their beliefs except being anti-west Campists.
(Obligatory fuck the Israeli State and Solidarity with Gazans)
I first thought this was about Gaza and was confused when I saw the comm
I mean yeah, the fact that women and children die in war doesn't automatically make it a genocide.
Intensionally killing women and children, kidnapping children and destroying cultural sites for the express purpose of replacing the people and culture with your own? Yeah, that makes it a genocide, three times over.
And note how it the definition of genocide doesn't include or exclude any specific countries? Yeah that's on purpose
That's what I was thinking.
I'd also like to add it can be a "war crime" and a horrible monster thing being done and still not be a genocide.
To repeat "not a genocide" doesn't mean it's "fine and okay"
I'm just saying it's a very specific term.
If an army js purposefully killing children just to be mean and terrible... That's awful and should be punished ... But that's also not a genocide. It's a genocide if the goal and purpose is to eliminate the culture or people from existence.
A good example is the American slave trade. Obviously terrible and unforgivable but not a genocide. What we did to native Americans was a genocide.
Don't forget the Russian politicians constantly stating that they seek to eliminate the entire idea of Ukrainian identity because they aren't appreciative enough of the motherland to deserve their own identity.
While the original definitions of genocide were explicitly based on what soviets did in Ukranie...
People seem to have forgotten (perhaps deliberately in the case of tankies) that when Russia first invaded Ukraine and still thought they would win in three days, they started digging mass graves. That Z symbol they carry on their tanks is a symbol of ethnic cleansing. They want to replace the Ukrainian people with Russians.
And that's not even mentioning the mass abduction, reeducation and forced assimilation of Ukrainian children.
which, lest anyone forget, is a crime against humanity
And an explicitly stated criteria for genocide.
Tankies and shifting framing, name a more iconic duo. Yeah, there's always collateral in war. What Russia is doing is deliberately targeting civilians and civilian infrastructure. The "genocide" in donbas that Russia was supposedly preventing had a total civilian death count of about 3,400 across ~8 years of conflict. The current war has led to nearly 33,000 confirmed civilian deaths so far, meaning that is the absolute floor and the real number is higher.
name a more iconic duo
Tankies, and actually just being Russian Trolls.
Israel targeting civilians in Gaza = genocide
Russia targeting civilians in Ukraine = not genocide
Hmm…
And no mention of the rohingya because they don't really care about stopping genocide
Actually there is some truth to this statement.
Israel is committing genocide by killing civilians in Gaza on a scale that will destroy the people of Gaza if not stopped.
Moscow's army is killing Ukrainian civilians – but not on a scale that endangers the survival of the Ukrainian people. That's a war crime, not genocide.
Moscow does try to commit genocide on Ukraine, by denying Ukrainian identity, banning the language, destroying cultural heritage, appropriating culture and history, abducting children and forcing Ukrainians to become Russians – not only Rusyaniy (citizens of the Russian Federation), but Ruskiy (ethnic Russians).
Maybe that’s why you don’t just go around starting wars for no reason.
Also Davel: even mentioning the semantics of genocide with reference to Gaza is genocide denial.
That is literally the same exact fucking arguments Israel is using, and the US used during its middle-eastern wars.
What's the thing with women and children not being related to war? I mean children, yeah, but women? Are we in 1800?
Women, even in developed countries, are still much less likely to be a part of military or paramilitary groups or engaged in hostilities during wartime. Essentially, if you kill 100 men, it's easier to claim "A lot of them were paramilitaries, honest!"; if you kill 100 women, that line becomes statistically unlikely; if you kill 100 women 20 times in a row, it begins to paint a very gruesome picture.
What is with these ML guys? Why do they gotta keep spreading horseshit?