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I'm watching Apocalypse in the Tropics documentary on Netflix about evangelicals and politics in Brazil and it's mind boggling. Why do the religious people just blindly do whatever the pastors tell them?

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[–] TORFdot0@lemmy.world 34 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

I think maybe you have it backwards people who are easily swayed/trusting of authority/gullible are going to be naturally drawn toward religion. Skeptics/those who don’t take things at face value are going to be naturally skeptical of it.

Religion doesn’t make you stupid but it’s very attractive to the sort

[–] MehBlah@lemmy.world 14 points 6 days ago

The flip side of that is manipulators are going to gravitate toward religion as a easy way to get what they want from the suckers.

[–] SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world 28 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Their entire worldview depends on blindly believing things that don't make sense and are unverifiable

They are trained from a very young age to accept anything an authority tells them.

[–] sturmblast@lemmy.world 4 points 5 days ago

This is how I look at it mostly. I also think, and statistics show as well, that religious folks are less intelligent on average.. partly because they are taught a bunch of nonsense.

[–] JTskulk@lemmy.world 6 points 5 days ago

In a word: gullible. Full stop.

[–] Yareckt@lemmynsfw.com 6 points 5 days ago

For the abrahamitic religions, I'd say that the problem is the age of their texts. Their metaphors and the societies they were created in are so outdated that in order to live by the texts, which have to be followed since they are the only cornerstone everything is built upon, you need specialists that are authority figures like priests who you have to trust as a laiman in order to learn what the texts meaning is. Because not everyone can devote themselves to theology.

[–] slaneesh_is_right@lemmy.org 25 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

If you believe in a magic man in the sky and a talking snake, it's probably pretty easy to convince them of other things too.

[–] Riprif@lemmy.world 14 points 6 days ago

Religion has already filtered out a population segment more likely to defer to authority figures when faced with facts that contradict reality.

[–] MTK@lemmy.world 23 points 6 days ago

Pretty simple. They are groomed from birth and often until death, to blindly trust the "leaders" of their community. At some point they develop critical thinking skills, but they are so deeply manipulated to trust the cult that they face an internal conflict: Break away from your core values, family, friends, community, comfort of purpose and greater value, etc. Or don't apply critical thinking to certain topics in your life.

Faced with what is essentially a social and moral death they ofteb choose the simpler option, just don't let logic into that part of their life.

Honestly, hard to balme them, I myself have faced similar issues in my life and sadly didn't always have to courage and strength to go with logic and instead kept with social norms that I know are wrong. To be fair, I think that 90% of people are blind to their own illogical (and often harmful) beliefs, but they easily identify it in others.

[–] mrcleanup@lemmy.world 20 points 6 days ago

I think you have it backwards, it's no wonder people who are easy to manipulate get drawn into religion.

[–] Maeve@kbin.earth 4 points 5 days ago

Imo, because they expect God/Source/whatever to be a cosmic vending machine, without doing any internal work on themselves, or external work to make manifest the world they envision, with a large Side-Order of blame, shame, and guilt, scattered, smothered, and covered with greed, vengeance, and distraction (addictions included).

[–] lobut@lemmy.ca 15 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I think it's because religions, cults, sports teams or whatever have community. Community comes with shared identities and beliefs. Nobody wants to be outcasted or shunned. So you follow along. Your friends are there, your family is there ... they all believe the same thing.

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[–] starlinguk@lemmy.world 13 points 6 days ago (9 children)

The bubble. I have a friend who ended up in a 'bubble' church. They get all their news from the church. TV channels: church. Cinema: church.

They have a STEM degree. They're not stupid, and yet they are.

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[–] unicornBro@sh.itjust.works 2 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

A lot of churches are cults. The Jehovah's Witnesses put their religion before their own kids and shun them. They'll pass on a blood transfusion for their religion. So yeah, mind control is a real thing.

[–] Ek-Hou-Van-Braai@piefed.social 11 points 6 days ago

The same reason why people who believe in crystal-healing are easy to manipulate.

Because they have glaring gaps in their rational thinking ability

[–] Openopenopenopen@lemmy.world 8 points 6 days ago

South Park sang it best.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Hm3mDatFpNE

Joseph Smith was called a prophet (Dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb) He started the Mormon religion (Dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb). (Dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb) Joseph Smith was called a prophet-

(Dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb) Many people believed Joseph (Dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb) And that night he-ee saw an angel (Dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb)

(Dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb)

Joseph Smith was called a prophet (Dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb)

(Dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb)

He found the stones and golden plates (Dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb) Even though nobody else ever saw them (Dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb)

(Dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb)

(Dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb)

And that's how the Book of Mormon was written (Dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb) (Dumb dadumb dumb dumb dumb dumb) (Dumb dadumb dumb dumb dumb dumb) (Dahumb dahumb dumb dumb dumb dumb) (Dumb dumb dumb dumb duuumb, duuumb.)

Martin went home to his wife (Dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb) And showed her pages from the Book of Mormon (Dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb)

Lucy Harris smart smart smart (Smart smart smart smart smart)

Martin Harris dumb dadumb-

Lucy Harris smart smart smart Martin Harris dumb. So Martin went on back to Smith Said the pages had gone away Smith got mad and told Martin He needed to go pray (Dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb)

(Dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb)

Dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb.

[–] Stormdancer@lemmy.world 8 points 6 days ago

Because they have been taught, from childhood, to just believe whatever the guy up front tells them to.

when you believe one outlandish thing, it's easy to be convinced of others. On top of that one of the main tools religions have is fear. Make people believe in some horrible fate, then convince them the only way to avoid that fate is through doing exactly as you say.

[–] Bwaz@lemmy.world 7 points 6 days ago

It's why religions make such a BIG DEAL about "faith".

Faith is simply a commitment to believe things that otherwise contradict obvious reality (but which invariably work to some "leader's" advantage).

[–] Alaik@lemmy.zip 6 points 6 days ago

Yourlve got the cause and effect backwards there big shoots.

[–] Flax_vert@feddit.uk 6 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

I don't know about across the pond, but to me that always seemed to be a loud minority of charismatic leaders gathering big flocks. Which the rest of The Church tries to distance itself from.

I think this isn't specifically tied to religion. It's just it's noticeable when it is. People are manipulated by governments and the media all of the time. It even happens in largely secular states as well.

You say evangelicals, but there's also the likes of Mormons, Seventh day Adventists (not really a big cult now as it used to be), Jehovah's Witnesses. There are Sunni extremists and Shia extremists in Islamic countries. China had weird cults as well such as the Falun Gong. But that also had an atheistic movement in the cultural revolution. Nazi Germany's movement was borderline pagan in nature.

[–] frankPodmore@slrpnk.net 8 points 1 week ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

I often wonder about this with regard to right wing Americans believing such ridiculous things. It's seem that what Trump supporters ultimately have in common is not one set of beliefs but a shared belief in things that make no sense: that all Democrats are paedophiles, that JFK wasn't really assassinated, that vaccines don't work, that climate change isn't real, that Donald Trump is anything but a foolish, evil corrupt man. What do these views have in common? They're fundamentally foolish things to believe.

The fact is that once you believe one patently absurd thing - for example, that an interventionist god exists - your thinking gets warped. When you then make this absurdity the centre of your worldview and your identity, your views on everything become warped. After a certain point, they seem to start believing things because they make no sense.

If a person believes God actually answers prayers, something there is no reason whatsoever to believe, they're primed to believe all kinds of other nonsense. This is exactly why many religious people have stopped believing in that kind of thing, and now take refuge in the idea of prayer as comfort or as asking for 'strength' rather than asking for anything specific (note that even this compromise requires them to ignore the plain meaning of the words of, e.g., the Lord's Prayer). Most people find it uncomfortable to believe in nonsense. For others, it becomes the point.

[–] BeNotAfraid@lemmy.world 6 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Why are most ~~religious~~ people so easy to manipulate?

Targeted Propaganda creates an online echo-chamber where everyone thinks that they're correct for obvious -to them- reasons (Selective reporting, lying by omission, no one reads the retraction etc.). Add to that the addictive and isolating nature of smart technology, the sense of community they find in their personal traits/hobbies/beliefs/interests and the fact that the rich are actively trying to destroy the middle and working class. That's how you get someone from group X, who believes they are wholly correct and smart enough to not be manipulated by media, asking why group Y is so easy to manipulate. It's not about characteristics of faith, or anything like that. It's the people at the top, telling you it's other members of your class dragging you down. Through the global media monopolies that they control. We're all part of it.

They were conditioned to growing up. Their parents taught them to, they saw how the ingroup and the outgroups work and settled on the ingroup. Not much more to it than that i'm afraid.

[–] pineapplelover@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

I mean they believe there's a man in the sky that they don't see who controls everything. Then that big man speaks through the pastor and this pastor interprets this book for them to hear. Everything good or bad is part of some divine plan. Then the whole thing is wrapped around the idea of wholehearted faith.

All throughout history, religious leaders plant themselves as a way to control people and power over them. See Europe, Asia, Africa, the Americas.

[–] Norin@lemmy.world 5 points 6 days ago

People in general are easily manipulated, and those who manipulate use the beliefs of the people they’re manipulating to do so.

Religion certainly is a something used for that, but it’s hardly the only one.

[–] UnfortunateShort@lemmy.world 4 points 6 days ago

Evangelical in the sense of protestant christians or in the sense of that crazy cult that's going on over in the Americas? Maybe it's just the news giving me the wrong idea, but I really don't recognise my religion just one ocean away.

I am a scepticist, but (or rather because) I grew up with a progressive church that allows and encourages critical thinking. Very tame stances overall, no overly aggressive rethoric, laughing and coloring you hair very much allowed. Then you cross the pond and hear fuming people talk about filthy infidels and holy wars like wth...

I think these people are not necessarily easy to manipulate, but indoctrinated to hell and back

[–] Nemo@slrpnk.net 4 points 6 days ago

Because they're people; and people, in general, are easy to manipulate.

[–] Crackhappy@lemmy.world 3 points 6 days ago

Watch documentaries on chimpanzees, watch what they do individually and as tribes and then you'll understand. We are not far removed from those great apes, and it shows.

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