Lack of sense of belonging and identity, lack of fatherly figures + generational gap, the internet
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Simple, start anti-fascist fight clubs.
There are low empathy people and there are high empathy people. Whether these traits are informed by genetics or trauma/conditioning, those with low empathy, and psychopathic or narcissistic traits, will always run towards fascism when presented with liberalism. You can’t fix them. They’ve always been around and they always will be. Modern civilization will always be a constant battle to keep them from driving the narrative and controlling the levers of power.
While the fascist are out there, learning how to fight, shoot and coordinate the rest of us are at home getting softer.
Is a pity that young people are going on that path, but maybe we have to face reality and prepare ourselfs too for defending freedom.
Men are joining "fascist fight clubs" because gyms("fight clubs") are one of the few places in society that are truly accepting of men while encouraging aspects of masculinity that society still accepts and women desire.
They are being pushed more right due to the idea that everything men do is wrong and bad that the left has been talking about for 10-15 years. "Men are causing all the problems in society." "I'd choose the bear."
Alienating anybody pushes them towards anyone that accepts them. Why would you try to gain the acceptance of people who say you, everyone like you, everything you like is the problem, and we need less of you in the workplace?
How do you keep men from drifting right? Stop pushing them there by alienating them and gyms will be less right.
Weird, I'm a man and don't have any of this insecurity, or alienation. Nobody tells me the things I do or the way I act is problematic. I have no desire to be a fascist or do campy blood sport. I wonder why that is?
These men can work out all they want but clearly they are still weak.
Your experience does not speak to the experience of others, it is your truth and your truth alone.
Dismissing the lived experience of others and their opinions of their experience is a big piece of the puzzle as to why young men are drifting right. It is a saw that cuts both ways and fells the tree no matter what way you pull or push.
So why is it that you don't understand their viewpoint? Because you have dismissed it and don't speak with people who percieve it with an open mind. Go on X and start reading the open opinions of those on the right, try to understand their viewpoint if you can't stand to tolerate others who think differently than you do in person.
No problem can be solved if you don't understand it.
What is actually enforcing the view point though? How are these boys so threatened by something?
I understand fascists just fine. It isn't exactly rocket science, and they definitely know better. They are hateful and insecure. Well, one because of the other. None of the problems they claim are real, and that's the point of my comment. Sometimes people are just wrong. Sometimes they even lie. I know, crazy.
It's not me who misunderstands them, it's them who refuses to understand the very basic elements of truth seeking, which is why they petulantly stand in opposition to common sense, science, expertise, and any other informed authority. They are not enlightened, they literally behave like children being told "no."
No one tells me the things I do or the way I act is problematic either.
The alienation from the liberal/left is still real.
Oh I'm sorry, did you get arrested for saying retard? Or did somebody just call you an asshole for doing so? Those are what we call consequences. You make a choice, and get upset when the people around you also do? Everybody is expressing their rights.
Gym is a fascist fight club now?
You aren't wrong, but I think it's also important to account for the role of right-wing leaders in attracting these people to their side.
The likes of Rupert Murdoch and Roger Ailes have done devastating damage to the US, UK, Australia, and more. They portray military service and patriotism as manly and good. They portray poverty as a personal moral failing. They portray progressive cities as anarchist hellscapes and rural towns as idyllic.
Right wing leaders wouldn't have attractive opinions if the left wasn't blamed for the problems that are observable.
The likes of Rupert Murdoch and Roger Ailes have done devastating damage to the US, UK, Australia, and more.
True
They portray military service and patriotism as manly and good.
There is nothing inherently wrong with loving your country. Military service is incredibly manly, you shit talk with the boys and work out. Military service can be good. It can pay for college(that is absurdly expensive), it teaches you life skills(that aren't being taught otherwise), being former military gives you an advantage in hiring, and you can have the government train you for a trade that you will be able to get into far easier with veteran status. Yes, there is the issue with furthering a globalist agenda and maybe having to go to some country that we have no business in, but the right doesn't like that either(except neo-cons and RINOs). Also spicy nostalgia isn't the greatest military benefit...
They portray poverty as a personal moral failing.
It isn't always, but it can be. Some people make poor choices that cost them opportunities or they sacrifice their future with poor financial decisions. Then there is the decision to do drugs or become an alcoholic which can take your life, your opportunities, your sanity, your health, and put you in a nearly inescapable spiral of criminality and poverty.
They portray progressive cities as anarchist hellscapes and rural towns as idyllic.
That isn't a hard picture to paint when all you need to do is point at the COL and crime stats and then follow that up with criminals getting let off easy and doing more crime because that is all they know how to do due to poor economic practices that kills jobs for people without a college degree.
The right sees LA spending billions on homelessness and getting nowhere while tents on the sidewalks have shit and needles around them. They see the judicial system letting violent criminals walk free and keep doing crime until they kill someone. They see the obscene costs of living where $2k a month gets you a studio with convenient access to vehicle break-ins and fentanyl. They see the D next to the mayor's name with no clear path to address the problems except increasing taxes to spend more on the problem while advocating for more changes that can only exacerbate the problems. Who would want to live under those conditions?
Then they see small towns with a charming homeless person milling about town that everybody knows by name(if they haven't been sent to California), the usual troublemakers getting locked up eventually(my dad owns half the town goes free the next day), and a house for $100k(that gets washed away in a flash flood). How is that not enticing?
To a young man, the left only presents to them more or worse of the problems they see and no mention of how they will make that young man's future better/easier for them unless they give up and live off welfare. The right tells them they will fix what holds them back with very simple answers to complex problems and empowers them to take accountability and work harder to get what they want.
The Nazis came to power because the disenfranchised German population that was shamed after WWI was given hope, pride, and an improved economy with an easy scapegoat to expel to make the country great again. The left is actively disenfranchising young men while the right wants to give them hope, pride, and an improved economy. The left is driving young men to the right and all the right has to do is welcome them. The left sees that and says "Fuck 'em. We don't need them" and then wonders how the hell Trump won.
Its a big source of cognitive dissonance to be told as a cis/het/white/male person that you have all these advantages in life (which can be true) while you still struggle in life/society.
Then they get told "we need to level the playing field so the world is not systemically hostile (which it is) to others outside of that small subset of the population". This can be interpreted as we are taking your benefits and giving them to someone else which is really scary and threatening when you already feel marginalized and have been told that those people want your stuff.
The missing element with these pushes for more equality or fixing major systemic issues is following up and explaining that we are also going to work on the systemic problems you are facing too or saying that the changes will uplift you too.
Will that fix all of the hostile isolated right wing young white guys? No, there are deeper issues at play there but acknowledging that there is a problem for them too is a good start to catch them before they fall down that hole.
True.
The problem is that equity efforts inherently disadvantage white men. There is a target goal to hire more of X that isn't white men in order to establish equity. It establishes a system that is inherently rigged against white men and it is obvious why white men would be unhappy with that.
For young white men to accept that disadvantage would require the disadvantage to be meaningless. The system needs to be fixed so that it isn't rigged against anybody and the changes need to happen slowly or you get the whiplash we are seeing.
For that to be true, there would have to be statistics to bear that out. And yet somehow, white men are still employed disproportionately and earning disproportionately, even when controlling for education (which women far exceed men at).
The whole 'anti-dei' thing is entirely driven by perception, not facts. But since there is a whole industry built around keeping young white men angry and telling them that having their privilege stripped is actually disenfranchisement, the trend will continue.
I think you'll really like this, touches on almost every point you made:
https://www.cracked.com/blog/5-helpful-answers-to-societys-most-uncomfortable-questions
(from 2015 when Cracked was still good)
Jason Pargin is one of my favorite writers. I'll check it out for sure.
Men are joining “fascist fight clubs” because gyms(“fight clubs”) are one of the few places in society that are truly accepting of men while encouraging aspects of masculinity that society still accepts and women desire.
Women don't desire misogynistic fascists.
They are being pushed more right due to the idea that everything men do is wrong and bad that the left has been talking about for 10-15 years. “Men are causing all the problems in society.” “I’d choose the bear.”
Grow the fuck up. Nobody is saying that. If that's what you're hearing, then you're mistaking having your entitlement questioned for persecution.
Alienating anybody pushes them towards anyone that accepts them. Why would you try to gain the acceptance of people who say you, everyone like you, everything you like is the problem, and we need less of you in the workplace?
So retreat to your "safe space" where you can spend your days virtue signalling to one another? Awesome.
How do you keep men from drifting right? Stop pushing them there by alienating them and gyms will be less right.
Men need to take responsibility for their lot in life. Quit blaming everyone else. Get educated. Push yourself forward. Maybe take a bit of a lead from the women who are leaving you in the dust. As a middle aged white male, I have no time for these shitheels. I'd trade them all in for hardworking humble immigrants in a heartbeat.
Can't afford a house, No Job security , economy is shit.
Therapists who can help is expensive.
Joins Gym to keep body healthy and preserve mental sanity.
REEE THEY ARE STARTING THE FIGHT CLUB!!!!!
Gym bros funnel them into right wing nonsense.
Not everybody in the gym is gym bros.
It's cringe and gay