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[–] phutatorius@lemmy.zip 2 points 2 hours ago

Looting is not governing.

[–] Mouselemming@sh.itjust.works 15 points 14 hours ago

"Because of capitalists’ colossal structural power, we’re required to stroke the egos and soothe the anxieties of tantrum throwing elites every time we want to improve society. If we want better education, healthcare, and childcare programs, or to fix our own crumbling infrastructure, or to make our own cities affordable to live in, we are structurally compelled to consider the interests and feelings of the ultrarich, to beg permission from the most wantonly unethical and pathologically narcissistic people on earth."

It's frankly ridiculous that despite having more wealth than they know what to do with, they're still obsessed with the fear that someone else might get a little of it.

[–] TheDemonBuer@lemmy.world 67 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago) (1 children)

Capitalism is a system that rewards people for antisocial behavior. 20,000 years ago, people engaging in antisocial behavior would have been thrown out of the tribe (or executed) for their selfishness and greed, but today they rule.

We can try to use the power of the state to reign them in and keep them under control, but it's a never-ending struggle. They will try to seize state control, to remove any systems that seek to moderate them. They believe that they are superior human beings, super human even. In their minds, their wealth proves their superiority. They have even convinced large numbers of us that they must be unrestricted, free to pursue maximum profits, otherwise modern civilization will collapse.

Maybe they're right. Maybe capitalism can't survive without sociopaths pursuing profits with relatively few restrictions. All the more reason to abolish capitalism, in my opinion, even if that means returning to a more communal existence.

[–] couldhavebeenyou@lemmy.zip 8 points 17 hours ago (2 children)

I think you have a pretty romanticized idea about how society was run 20.000 years ago

[–] MNByChoice@midwest.social 14 points 17 hours ago (2 children)

According to "The Dawn of Everything" by David Graeber and David Wengrow, if one were in the Americas, it could have been pretty okay. Depending on the tribe, a selfish person could have been exiled and many people's competed to be generous.

Rousseau and the European Enlightenment struggling against the weight of the Catholic Church, may have presented an overly negative view on life long ago. (Source is also "The Dawn of Everything".)

[–] troglodyke@lemmy.federate.cc 1 points 1 hour ago

Anyone talking about society 20,000 years ago is bullshitting. We have no records for how these societies operated anything but a superficial level.

This Jordan Peterson and Evelutionary Psychology levels of scientific rigor.

[–] ctrl_alt_esc@lemmy.ml 2 points 16 hours ago

Great book that everyone should read!

[–] TheDemonBuer@lemmy.world 3 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

How am I romanticizing the stone ages? By pointing out that members of the tribe who acted selfishly were often executed (and sometimes tortured)? Is that idea a romantic one, in your mind?

Selfishness wasn't so harshly punished back then because stone age people were noble savages, who were just more righteous than we are today. No, selfishness was so harshly and violently punished (even if the sentence was banishment, that was often a death sentence) because selfish people were a threat to the survival of the tribe, and thus a threat to the survival of every member of the tribe.

[–] couldhavebeenyou@lemmy.zip -1 points 9 hours ago

Well for starters, the suggestion that everyone was part of the same tribe. If tribes had differences with eachother, how do you think that played out

[–] resipsaloquitur@lemmy.world 14 points 18 hours ago

Any rich idiot who could stomach moving to Florida has already done so. Or maintains multiple residences in New York and Florida.

You know, like Trump and Epstein do.

[–] Gates9@sh.itjust.works 11 points 20 hours ago

They are losing control, they are scared, they will attempt to to divert the attention of the public with war. The aristocracy will be dismantled or we will be annihilated.

[–] mateofeo85@lemmy.world 5 points 21 hours ago (4 children)

Mostly whiny rich LAZY WHITE people. The Civil War was fought because white people were so lazy they didn’t want to do the work themselves.

[–] MrSqueezles@lemmy.world 1 points 9 hours ago

Came here to say how refreshing it is to read an article about wealthy jerks that talks about reality rather than RACE OR GENDER.

[–] Feyd@programming.dev 26 points 21 hours ago (2 children)

Why bring race into it? Poor white people are natural allies in curtailing monied interests are much as anyone else. Driving wedges that aren't along class lines is only to the benefit of the rich.

[–] mateofeo85@lemmy.world 10 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

To be fair, the term “white people” was created by rich landowners to get poor Europeans to turn against the black people they worked alongside in the fields. White isn’t a race.

[–] Feyd@programming.dev 12 points 19 hours ago

All human concept of race is just where people decided to draw arbitrary lines.

[–] paultimate14@lemmy.world 11 points 20 hours ago

https://www.forbes.com/real-time-billionaires/#517324be3d78

Just within the top-25 I see Jensen Huang, Mukesh Ambani, Carlos Slim, Changpeng Zhao, Zhong Shanshan.

White people are over-represented in the list, but there's plenty of non-white billionaires that are just as problematic as their white counterparts. The vast, vast majority of white people are not billionaires. Racial division is a distraction that serves the billionaires.

[–] HubertManne@piefed.social 6 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

By other white people who found that unacceptable.

[–] mateofeo85@lemmy.world -5 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

Until Lincoln said black people should vote. All those “progressive” northern people all of a sudden became racist.

[–] HubertManne@piefed.social 4 points 20 hours ago

I think thats just in your head. Supposedly lincoln was about back to africa and the civil war was not about one segment believing in full equality at that point in time. They just felt slavery was wrong and that black people were human. I mean remember women got sufferage after black males. Also we are talking averages. Im 100% sure many individuals recognized equality between humans but the norm changed over time and more importantly the law. This is one reason I find juneteenth as wierd because it was the amendment when it was codified in law and after all the world has slavery still and its been done by individuals in the us in this millenium. The critical thing is that its a crime now to do that.

[–] Septimaeus@infosec.pub 1 points 18 hours ago

You have upset your Ferengi masters!