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[–] teawrecks@sopuli.xyz 2 points 5 hours ago

This is interesting...it means they can't get enough interest in the existing age range. I assume the next step is trying to force the National Guard into those roles. That or hire mercs.

[–] ummthatguy@lemmy.world 59 points 1 day ago (1 children)

But with less irony/satire.

[–] neukenindekeuken@sh.itjust.works 9 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

The book the movie was based off of was a more serious piece of work about military authoritarianism and what that ultimately leads to.

[–] sepi@piefed.social 5 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

The book talks about a society where you need to do service (military is one type, but there are other services that are non-military) to gain citizenship and voting rights. The fictional society justifies this by stating that only those that have put something on the line for the nation deserve citizenship (the book says this, not my idea).

Then the book spends its latter half describing a fictional Officer Candidate School while Rico is underway. The book does not describe military authoritarianism - that was invented by the director of the movie, who famously celebrated not having read the book.

None of my commentary should be construed as supporting the ideas in the book, only correcting what the person I am responding to incorrectly described as the subject of the book.

[–] neukenindekeuken@sh.itjust.works 1 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago) (1 children)

That's a fair correction. I guess authoritarianism is too far of a comparison for the book. I had read it a long time ago and remembered it pretty much straight up glorifying the military and military conquest above all, and as you say, the only path to citizenship is through military service.

It is a militarily dominant society, but that doesn't necessarily require authoritarianism as the movie portrayed.

The one thing missing from the movie I wish they had put in was that in the books, IIRC, they had mech-like suits that had to be learned how to be piloted/used, and I remember that being a decent bit of a few chapters just learning how to use their mechanical battle suits.

They did not go into battle with some basic kevlar vs giant bugs.

[–] sepi@piefed.social 2 points 21 hours ago

Do note, the society tries to dissuade people from military service and does not at all glorify it. Don't know if you remember the interactions with Mr Dubois, the civics teacher.

[–] MellowYellow13@lemmy.world 10 points 20 hours ago

People should join and fuck it up from the inside. Go and start deporting fascist republicans as well.

[–] unmagical@lemmy.ml 47 points 1 day ago (2 children)
[–] ChicoSuave@lemmy.world 21 points 1 day ago (3 children)
[–] mateofeo85@lemmy.world 14 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] tonytins@pawb.social 8 points 23 hours ago

And we've come full circle!

[–] Tylerdurdon@lemmy.world 10 points 1 day ago
[–] MeekerThanBeaker@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

Lil' MAGAnazis

[–] Shamber@lemmy.world 40 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

The neoNazi youth program, cause the clan is not enough

[–] redsand@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 points 1 day ago (1 children)

These fools will have a lot of spending money. Help them part ways with it.

[–] NuXCOM_90Percent@lemmy.zip 10 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Nah

"Leaked" documents are that all the signing bonuses are for multi-year contracts and so forth. So trumpy is pulling a putin and basically plans to save money between desertions and people being too afraid to ask for their money from the fascists they protected.

[–] redsand@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 day ago

80k is still more than most of these doofuses have ever had and they will find something to spend it on.

[–] Nougat@fedia.io 12 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Seems like an opportunity for infiltration.

[–] Death_Equity@lemmy.world 15 points 1 day ago (3 children)

You need secret clearance, which means they will go through your social media and interview people you know, including prior employers and schools. There is also a polygraph.

Your post would be disqualifying.

If you wanted to infiltrate, you would have had to plan to do so for many years.

[–] Nougat@fedia.io 3 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

Oh, I know I'm disqualified. But I also know that there are people who aren't.

[–] Death_Equity@lemmy.world 3 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

Anyone who would be so minded as to act in a way that undermines or is in direct opposition has certainly disqualified themselves on social media and in reputation.

They would need a clean or blatantly pro Trump social media profile and multiple people to vouch for them that are the same.

Even once they get in, they would still have to follow orders and they would be the one contributing to what they hate directly or they would be fired and/or imprisoned.

Seriously, the only way to get into a position to be able to do anything would have to decide to flip or being playing a long game that they only just recently found out about.

[–] Nougat@fedia.io 3 points 21 hours ago

It's a big country with a lot of people in it.

[–] Zorsith@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Pretty sure polygraph is for TS, not S

[–] Death_Equity@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Poly is standard for LEOs, secret clearance does include poly.

[–] P00ptart@lemmy.world 4 points 20 hours ago (1 children)
[–] Zorsith@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

Same. Mine is within the last 5 ish years, too; i didn't even get contacted beyond telling me i had my interim.

[–] P00ptart@lemmy.world 3 points 19 hours ago

I knew a few people with TS and it really depended on the job, (because need to know) how extreme it got but never, not once, did I ever hear about someone getting a polygraph for a TS or secret clearance. And granted my only experience was the military. It may be different for three letter agencies, but I find that unlikely given my experience with how the government works. Basically if you don't have any glaring red flags, you got it. That being said, that was before this administration. I hear there's a loyalty test now but I can't verify that.

[–] Photuris@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Like, don’t tell them your lemmy username?

[–] Death_Equity@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

If you don't use any other social media or haven't posted anything disqualifying, then not telling them about your Lemmy account would help your odds.

The poly and/or reference interviews would not work out for you anyways.

[–] Zaktor@sopuli.xyz 4 points 22 hours ago (2 children)

I've had an interview performed a while back and answered questions for someone else's interview. At least in the 00s there was really only so much they could do. They talk to people you list and incidental relationships like neighbors. If you either don't rant to those people or those people aren't inclined to rat you out, there's not much risk there.

The questions were surface level and the time for investigation was limited. I think they're mostly looking for someone to volunteer that the subject seems questionable. Poly was more of a crap shoot (I know some people who had to take it multiple times), but as far as I remember the questions weren't personalized and weren't political. Though who knows what sort of loyalty questions they've added for the gestapo applicants.

Mind you, all this was done right after college, where I'd talked and posted about politics openly, went to anti Iraq war protests organized by communists (I didn't actually know that at the time), and had a Rage Against the Machine bumper sticker. Whether they knew much of that, I don't know, but at least back then the human limitations on how much investigation they could do and how aggressive they could be with rejections were pretty apparent.

[–] P00ptart@lemmy.world 4 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

I had a secret clearance in my army days, 02-08. There was no polygraph at all.

[–] Zaktor@sopuli.xyz 3 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

Did they interview people? If I'm remembering correctly, I think the interviews only came for TS, and the polys were for special compartments. They didn't have remotely the personnel to apply the Full Monty for everyone who needed a clearance.

TV makes it seem like clearances are big deals only for the most patriotic special agents, but in reality it's tons of military personnel and civilian contractors and they take forever and a day to actually happen. And then every year you take training that is so easy it seems designed to make sure no one can fail.

To other readers, don't get a security clearance if it's optional, it mostly just sucks.

[–] P00ptart@lemmy.world 2 points 19 hours ago

Basically they did a background check, looking for criminal records and credit report, I had to give references, they contacted one of the three I gave, and I guess they did a background check on the person they contacted, but I never took a polygraph. But being 18, I had no criminal record and essentially no credit at all.

[–] Death_Equity@lemmy.world 1 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

Were you interviewing for a federal law enforcement agency or a local? Were you going to receive secret clearance?

Things have changed all the same.

[–] Zaktor@sopuli.xyz 3 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago)

Not law enforcement, but I think it might have even been with DHS. It was a long time ago. Interviews were for higher than secret, and polys were for higher still.

I'm kind of surprised they're still doing polys actually. They seemed like junk science back then, as evidenced by the people who had to take them multiple times. It's not like their lives changed when they eventually passed, just the readings/interpretation did.

[–] heyWhatsay@slrpnk.net 2 points 20 hours ago

Do you care how old a nazi is?

[–] TommySoda@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

First thing that popped into my head for some reason.

https://youtu.be/VCkFSe3voRc