So they're just going to use GitHub as a code training dataset? Embrace, Extend, Extinguish.
this post was submitted on 11 Aug 2025
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This is the most infuriating, heartbreaking and lame thing ever. AI bros are just a bunch of losers ruining stuff for everyone.
crypto bros == AI bros
always have been ruining shit for everyone else.
They're all avatars of nvidia which themselves
are avatar of TSMC and the silicon chip
manufacturing industry. There are underlying
technological current are driving cultural movement ...
Oh no "Culture is downstream from technology"
that is the most cyberpunk thing I've ever heard
CULTURE IS DOWNSTREAM FROM TECHNOLOGY
I couldn't find it, but there's a moment where
spoiler
Cory Doctorow discusses how underlying technology
manufacturer end up controlling their downstream
consumer application of the technology in a
kind of "balance of power" of technology
I can't find this passage at the moment,
I thought it was in the "war on general computing" speech,
but I can't find it, I thought it was especially insightful
In anycase there are the following links
DEF CON 32 - Disenshittify or die!
How hackers can seize the means of computation - Cory Doctorow
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4EmstuO0Em8
and
28c3: The coming war on general computation https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HUEvRyemKSg
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Don't just move to Codeberg; donate to them too.
Codeberg has a lot of restrictions regarding private repositories and... complicated verbiage regarding what licenses they want for public repositories.
For public repositories... do you think that MS et al can't already scrape all of that?
I am all for telling MS to go fuck themselves. But it is important people actually understand what they are and aren't getting in terms of privacy and the like. It is like how people still sometimes pretend that the completely open site where just about anyone can run an instance has LESS ai scraping than a reddit.
The key point about codeberg as I understand it is it’s meant for foss projects. It’s not really much more complex than that. Want to host non-free software, or want to use it for your company’s private code repository? They don’t want that on their servers, so either find an alternative or self-host forgejo, which is the same code (derived from gitea) that powers codeberg itself.
i just wanted to drop my personal favorite self-hosted git alternative, Gogs (gogs.io). i have very modest git needs (i just need a place to host code and interact with the git client), and i think it fits the bill well.
i am not associated with it at all, i just want folks to know that self-hosting your own git service has really never been easier or better; there are so many good options, like a similar project, gitea.
if you are uncomfortable with exposing your home network to the internet, you can use tools like tailscale funnel or a reverse proxy server like caddy and a $5 VPS from any cloud host of your choosing to obscure your home IP, while still keeping the storage and the brains somewhere closeby.
imo, the only way forward for all of us to stay safe is to keep repeating a simple mantra: “let’s go back to making websites.”
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GitHub is finally dead.
It was dead when MS bought it. Software developers aren't immune to denial.
People not realising (or not caring enough about) the irony that more than 80% of open source projects are hosted in a platform which is a) not open source and b) owned by M$ has always been a mistery to me.
b) is a recent(*) change. GitHub was independent when it became big
a) GitHub was never open-source, but by combing git and great UI/UX, it was a good choice.
Git is open-source and the distributed nature of git reduces the vendor-lock-in. You need to understand where we came from (svn or git to some ssh server). Coming from self-hosted git, embracing github did not take away your power over your own source code; you still had a copy of all branches on multiple machines. The world is different now, where github has become a single-point of failure.
(*) Update: Okay, maybe 2018 was not recently, but my point stands. GitHub existed long before the Microsoft purchase.
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i am old in terms of internet years, and Bill Gates really is living proof that billionaires can essentially destroy the lives of thousands and thousands of people to gather their wealth, and then spend the autumn of their years choosing which countries or causes get a splash-out of the unfathomable excess, like a little kinglet.
i am happy his money helped fix stuff in the world. but that’s called “catching up to what has been expected of you for 60 years.” he does not get a cookie for working out of the Andrew Carnegie playbook.
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Long live Microsoft 365 Copilot CodeShare Professional
Finally we can do collaborative coding in powerpoint, put it on sharepoint, and have copilot link it to issues in teams.
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Are we moving to Codeberg now?
Or your own server. But yeah this is not so good for the rest of us. They are doubling down on AI.
Self hosting for your own needs is great but you won't get the "drive by" contributions you get from shared platforms. On GitHub, Gitlab, and Codeberg, if I even see as little as a typo in the readme file, I open a pull request. I will not sign up on a hundred different git hosters for stuff like that.
So what you're saying is that we need federated git.
Forgejo, the software project powering Codeberg, is working on adding federation but it's got a long way to go before it's a usable feature
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There's plenty alternatives.
- Sourcehut sr.ht (possibly other instances)
- Various gitlab instances, e.g. framagit.org
- not to mention git's own web ui which runs under so many domains; some of them might even be open to signups.
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and so begins the enshitification
That had already started.
and so the enshitification continues
How has GitHub been enshittified? It's a genuine question, because I've thought Microsoft has been a pretty good steward of it until now.
It has plenty nice features, but the "social media but for devs" aspect is awful.
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I'm just waiting for Forgejo federation to be a thing, and some sort of definitive website for discovering projects. Right now, even though I do have my slefhosted forgejo instance, I still need to keep my code on GitHub, or no-one else will ever know about it.
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... Was it ever since they got bought?
i don't think being owned by a shitty billionare company counts as independent
I believe that's probably why they specify in the headline "at Microsoft" rather than just "independent."
You can have an independent division within a company that doesn't get orders from the company's main CEO, or you can have it be fully under that person's oversight. It used to be a separate division with its own management, now it's not, thus it's no longer internally independent.
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Didn't this clown literally say like lastweek that if you're a dev and you're not using AI to get out? well...he's out and look what happens.
Move to Codeberg, donate to them, or self host your git repos.
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The ensh*tification continues. Time for community git to somehow be federated like lemmy.
Some sort of encrypted collective sharing of the whole through BitTorrent style shared hosting.
I would seriously consider donating a few TB space and half my bandwidth to that.
Git has always been decentralized. That was one of its purposes. Sites like GitHub, Gitlab, etc actually went against the grain and centralized them; I personally believe this helped popularize git back in the days of CVS and Subversion being the two most popular version control systems.
Git patches were made to be email friendly as a means of distributing code between developers — it’s how the Linux kernel does it (or did, I’m not up to date on their current practices).
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