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[-] sbv@sh.itjust.works 168 points 11 months ago

by the screenshots it looks like I've done plenty

Voyager is a copy of the Apollo UI. He's entirely right when he says he's already contributed significantly.

I don't blame him for being grumpy, but I also think it's legit to clone a decent UI. As Voyager matures the UIs will diverge.

[-] cheese_greater@lemmy.world 42 points 11 months ago

Ya like I empathize with him but I know if I refuse to allow peopleto continue using somethingthry love, they find a way around it. That is the techie ethos, at least it is to me. Seize the means of production hehe

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[-] CaptObvious@literature.cafe 64 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

On the one hand, nice jab. Unfair since he wasn’t interested, but get his jollies where he can, I guess.

On the other, he knew longer than most that Reddit was done. He can pivot to Lemmy at any time.

[-] UgandaSans@reddthat.com 27 points 11 months ago

Based on this https://reddthat.com/post/8711097 I don’t think he has any interest in Lemmy

[-] CaptObvious@literature.cafe 49 points 11 months ago

Thanks for the link. I didn’t think he’s in the least interested in Lemmy. Unsure why he’s upset that someone else took the ball that he wasn’t interested in and ran with it.

[-] foofiepie@lemmy.world 12 points 11 months ago

Think about it. If you’d given so much of yourself over to crafting and honing an app like Apollo over the years and all that happened, happened… would you not be a tad deflated and exasperated?

I don’t blame him. Let him cool off for about 5 years. He’ll see it as a tribute one day.

[-] CaptObvious@literature.cafe 9 points 11 months ago

You're right on all counts. It really is a tribute to Apollo's design, and I hope he sees it that way someday.

While I'd be exasperated, I'd like to think that I'd also be mature enough to realize that Voyager simply does what I didn't want to do. I'd like to think that I wouldn't be pissy about it. I might be wrong, but I'd like to think it.

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[-] RedWeasel@lemmy.world 58 points 11 months ago

Honestly does response really mean he’s mad or anything about it? Voyager is obviously inspired by Apollo, but any developer who does UX on iOS should inspired by good iOS UX. I think people may be reading into it to much. He already indicated that he was not going to port Apollo. If anything I’d be irritated that people keep asking him more than anything.

[-] ytsedude@lemmy.world 52 points 11 months ago
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[-] SinTacks@programming.dev 35 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Wow, pretty clear how he feels about it. But also he made plenty of money of Apollo and then just shut it down and refused to open source it. So I don’t feel particularly inclined to change my behavior here.

Edit: All these people white knighting a dev that made millions off his app.

[-] wildginger@lemmy.myserv.one 46 points 11 months ago

Why would he have any obligation to open source a project he was shutting down? If he made the code open, that would be a kind and generous gesture. Not an expected and assumed action.

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[-] quatschkopf34@feddit.de 29 points 11 months ago

I mean, he provided a great app for free for years. Why should he open source it, just because he also earned cash with it? As far as I know he was also in talks with premium members so that they could get their money back but I’m not updated on that. And of course he shut it down, the app essentially became useless.

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[-] fuzzywombat@lemmy.world 10 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Here are my takeaway. Christian does sound slightly miffed at the fact that Voyager has copied much of the look and feel of Apollo. Even though he has not contributed any code directly to the Voyager app, he has indeed "contributed" to it indirectly. I highly doubt Christian will go after Voyager app in a legal manner. He definitely would have a legal standing to do so but that would alienate his support from the past Apollo community that has moved onto Voyager. There is just no reason for him to do so. I suppose I can imagine a crazy scenario where Apollo IP switches hands to another company and that company decides to take legal action against Voyager but that seems highly unlikely. In retrospect it would have been nice if developer of Voyager basically got permission or just simply asked Christian if it's okay to use the look and feel of Apollo in writing. That would have avoided any awkwardness or ambiguity.

[-] CaptObvious@literature.cafe 35 points 11 months ago

Copyright has not been violated, and so he has no standing for legal action.

[-] cheese_greater@lemmy.world 13 points 11 months ago

There's approximately 0% chance of that happening. Christian made up his mind, he's free to do whatever he wants. And we're free to do whatever we want short of actionable real lawsuits. Time will tell but the genie's outtathe bottle.

[-] ANIMATEK@lemmy.world 9 points 11 months ago

Wait, is that an Apollo’s screenshot? How?

[-] UgandaSans@reddthat.com 9 points 11 months ago

You can modify the app to use your own API key

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[-] there1snospoon@ttrpg.network 8 points 11 months ago

Hm, does Voyager have his blessing for being so similar to Apollo I wonder?

[-] hi_its_me@lemmy.world 38 points 11 months ago

Does it need it? AFAIK, you can’t copyright a design.

[-] CaptObvious@literature.cafe 13 points 11 months ago

You can’t copyright the underlying idea. You can copyright the specific expression of that idea.

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[-] UgandaSans@reddthat.com 9 points 11 months ago

I believe he does not like it

[-] 4am@lemm.ee 14 points 11 months ago

I don’t believe there is fuck-all he can do about it, unless it’s somehow directly lifting code.

[-] UgandaSans@reddthat.com 12 points 11 months ago

Voyager is built from the ground up as a web app, not even possible to directly lift code from Apollo

[-] wildginger@lemmy.myserv.one 4 points 11 months ago

Thats probably why he hasnt done fuck all, that doesnt mean he has to like it.

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[-] YourAverageKirbyFan@lemmy.ca 8 points 11 months ago

@christianselig@mastodon.social Can you share some clarification on your thoughts on the Voyager app?

[-] YourAverageKirbyFan@fedia.io 8 points 11 months ago

@ChristianSelig Sorry, not sure if the original mention went through on Lemmy or not

[-] doublejay1999@lemmy.world 6 points 11 months ago

Mods removing a lot of comments. No reason given.

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