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It feel like we’re losing to Google, day by day. They aren’t killing AOSP directly, but they are making it useless step by step.

Now it’s Google Play Services, Play Integrity checks, installation source checks… more and more apps just refuse to run without GMS. Banking apps? Most of them don’t work. And it’s only getting worse. I run vanilla AOSP on my main profile, no Play Services. I keep GMS only in my work profile for the apps that absolutely need it. But now even some regular apps that don't need any play services won’t work on my main profile anymore. They simply block your from running , like le chat.

Maps is google's most important app there is no way to run without play services. Sure we can use webview or gmaps wv, but they don't provide turn-by-turn directions. Earlier maps used to work without play services, but two years ago, an update stopped it from working. Now that old version is out of date and no longer works.

Google is slowly making GMS very important to run. The problem with GMS is they require to run as system app and has to have all the permissions by default.

Hope EU puts pressure to make google allow apps to run independently without GMS or atleast install them as user apps(like graphene os sandboxed play services).

If we keep going on like this, AOSP can only run fdroid apps in the future.

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[–] shortwavesurfer@lemmy.zip 16 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Run as many open source apps as you can is about the best option. Also, OSMAND does provide turn-by-turn directions.

What it does not do well is street addresses, so at times you may find that you have to use the GPS coordinates of the place you are going to in order to get directions.

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[–] DieserTypMatthias@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 day ago

Maybe postmarketOS?

[–] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org 40 points 2 days ago

We are in war with big tech, why would anyone think they would just let us win without a fight.

[–] Schlemmy@lemmy.ml 15 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Maps?

Use OsmAnd and MagicEarth? I've been doping it for years now. Works fine.

[–] Jhex@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

Comaps has been awesome for me

[–] Luffy879@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] shane@feddit.nl 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] NewNewAugustEast@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 day ago

Comaps is the fork, we moved away from organic maps. You will find basically the same experience.

[–] zod000@lemmy.dbzer0.com 31 points 2 days ago (10 children)

It is only slightly on topic, but I'd like to give a hateful shout out to Ticketmaster/Live Nation's new "mobile only" ticketed events that require you to have an iPhone or fully Google blessed Android phone. They do not allow you to use a QR code or printed ticket anymore, only their app with a constantly changing bare code or Google wallet (unsure of the IOS experience).

I am going to a concert this weekend and I either have to dig up some old phone that can work with this app or sell my tickets.

[–] far_university1990@reddthat.com 25 points 2 days ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (3 children)

Someone recently crack their shit code. Can use offline app after extract secret once. Will link once find.

Edit: https://conduition.io/coding/ticketmaster/ app (javascript) https://github.com/conduition/ticketgimp

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[–] DynamicBits@lemmy.zip 7 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Just go to the box office when you get there and present an ID that matches the name the tickets were purchased under. Depending on the venue, they will either print your ticket or text you a link that opens a page in your browser that can be scanned.

[–] zod000@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 day ago

Everything I've read is that they only offer accommodations to people during time of purchase, and even then you're basically at the mercy of the venue. I'm going to call them and see what I can do, but I don't have high hopes.

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[–] dessalines@lemmy.ml 26 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (3 children)

Of the largest android sellers, only samsung requires gplay. Xiaomi, vivo, oppo, realme, honor, are all chinese companies that require non-bundled google play for their domestic (and maybe other countries?) releases. Google can't alienate these sellers, and if they did, all of these companies would create their own AOSP fork (or just switch to HarmonyOS)

I recently bought a xiaomi android tablet that doesn't have google play services luckily.

[–] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org 9 points 2 days ago

If the goal is too swap one parasite for another, this is a valid strategy BUT

Custom ROM is the only proper solution, ideally GrapheneOS, if you actually care about security and privacy.

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[–] jim3692@discuss.online 56 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Hope EU puts pressure to make google allow apps to run independently without GMS or atleast install them as user apps(like graphene os sandboxed play services).

I doubt they will put any pressure. EU decided to rely on GMS for their upcoming Digital ID app. While they claim they want to switch to open source alternatives of big tech services, they designed their app so that it forces EU citizens to either comply with Google's ToS, or Apple's.

Related discussion: https://github.com/eu-digital-identity-wallet/av-doc-technical-specification/issues/18

[–] cute_noker@feddit.dk 8 points 1 day ago

Damn we are stupid in the EU!

What do we want: digital sovereignty

When do we want it: ehrm.. Well.. We have some things in pipeline and it is really hard...

They know that NSA is directly spying on us and they don't care

[–] kalistia@sh.itjust.works 20 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Furthermore, they do not seem particularly open to criticism on this subject...

[–] emrsmsrli@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

if you could just have read one more update on that issue, you would've seen that it is moved to a discussion post now

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[–] the_abecedarian@piefed.social 70 points 2 days ago (28 children)

Linux phone operating systems aren't ready for daily use yet, but they are being actively developed. https://linmob.net/

[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 day ago

we'd still have to deal with locked bootloaders and adoption.

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[–] als@lemmy.blahaj.zone 46 points 2 days ago (12 children)

I highly reccomend comaps which has turn-by-turn directions and doesn't require Google services.

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[–] monovergent@lemmy.ml 24 points 2 days ago (2 children)

EU won't be too friendly either given the nature of their recent identification app. You should still write to your legislators, but they're a mostly tech-illiterate bunch, so expect it to be a low ROI activity.

Really do consider donating to projects like GrapheneOS. The GrapheneOS team are a very passionate and clever group, and I'd like to think that they can at least give us something to work with, even if Google completely cuts the cord. Hopefully they can also secure an additional revenue stream once they release their own phone.

If it really does all fall through and there's no deGoogled way to run Android apps, I'll keep a separate phone, preferably with a removable battery, with regular Android just to host the proprietary apps. Treat it as a work phone, i.e. power off when not needed, don't connect to my main home network, don't do anything that doesn't need to be done on it. Proprietary apps only make up a small fraction of my mobile workflow, so everything else stays on another phone that respects my privacy.

[–] ScoffingLizard@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I am thinking a tablet with Linux and a hotspot rather than phone number. Maybe supplement with a dumb phone in a Faraday bag for your phone, Iike on Swisscows.

[–] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org 10 points 2 days ago

they're a mostly tech-illiterate bunch

Y'all keep saying this.... These people are not stupid, they are corrupt. Start calling spade a spade. You are giving them something to hide behind jfc.

[–] Narauko@lemmy.world 29 points 2 days ago (13 children)

Yeah, this is a problem. I attempted to switch to GrapheneOS just a month ago and had to roll back to stock Android. One of my banking apps worked, but 3 others didn't. My 2FA app didn't work. I stopped receiving important texts as they were previously RCS and that refused to validate no matter what I did.

Google has made it extremely hard to degoogle.

[–] Dreaming_Novaling@lemmy.zip 17 points 2 days ago (1 children)

One of my banking apps worked, but 3 others didn't.

Same issue, I just did web browser instead

My 2FA app didn't work.

I suggest just exporting and using a different 2FA app, especially an open source one like Aegis

I stopped receiving important texts as they were previously RCS and that refused to validate no matter what

RCS on GrapheneOS is very finicky and requires using AppOps to enable READ_DEVICE_IDENTIFIERS, and you have to let carrier services and google messages have more permissions to work. You also might have to deregister your previous phone to use the number (i.e. my old iPhone still had my number in the settings, had to remove it). There's a very long GrapheneOS thread about it, but the link should be the solution.

[–] Narauko@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I suggest just exporting and using a different 2FA app, especially an open source one like Aegis

Authy dropped their desktop app and killed the ability to export. I will have to start from scratch, but I definitely plan to.

I spent a week with that discussion your linked plus several other posts, I just couldn't get it working. I might have better luck next time I try it though.

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