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submitted 1 year ago by xuxebiko@kbin.social to c/worldnews@lemmy.ml

Western countries have for too long acquiesced to the Indian government’s abuses

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[-] random_prime@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago

As an Indian I agree. But I need to see conclusive proof first. I don't want to see my country degrades itself to the same level as CIA / NSA or Mossad. If we did something wrong there should be adequate consequences.

[-] TheBat@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Canadian sources say that, when pressed behind closed doors, no Indian official has denied the bombshell allegation at the core of this case — that there is evidence to suggest Indian government involvement in the assassination of a Canadian citizen on Canadian soil.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/sikh-nijjar-india-canada-trudeau-modi-1.6974607

Our government has not released a single statement saying 'we didn't do it' AFAIK. Let us know if you find any.

[-] Hell13no@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

And if we didn't there should be equally measured consequences for the once who made acquisitions without adequate proof

[-] zephyreks@programming.dev 0 points 1 year ago

What evidence do you want to see about a state-sponsored assassination? It's happened twice now and you think it's an accident?

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/winnipeg-homicide-victim-wanted-india-1.6975772

Just yesterday.

[-] Rand0mA@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

That's hardly proof

Not saying it isn't true.. but from that alone nada. someone posting something on twitter and then someone is murdered... must be government?!

[-] zephyreks@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 year ago
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[-] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The thing is we're scared of China and you're the only developing country of over a billion left, on top of your ideological and language similarities with us. Even Trudeau is treading as lightly as he can given the situation.

[-] xuxebiko@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

If the west is scared of China, then India's PM Modi is terrified of them. In June 2020, When China invaded India in Galwan and beat our 20 soldiers to death, Modi publicly state that nothing happened in Galwan. Since then he has been unable to take China's name, even when China built an entire village with paved roads in the Indian state of Arunachal Pradesh.
The Modi govt that rules India is ideologically fascist dictatorial, majoritarian, and violently Hindu supremacist. If that is also your country's ideological stance then we do have a lot in common.

[-] Africanprince99@lemmy.one 2 points 1 year ago

Sounds like a terrorist who got assassinated in a foreign country.

Anyway this OP has a vendetta against India. They have yet to comment on all the atrocities being carried out by Muslim governments daily.

[-] Thann@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

If Canada follows the 9/11 protocol, they would invade pakistan

[-] Metal_Zealot@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

but in old Canadian fashion, we're just going to bend over and take it

[-] Armen12@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

We have done what now? India has only been a country since like 1947, what are these long trains of abuses you refer to here in the west? Chippendales?

[-] bravesilvernest@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

never previously in the friendly and orderly West.

Well, started reading the article, got to this line and cringed.

[-] xuxebiko@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

yes, that line had me laughing too.

[-] Chariotwheel@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

For a kinder and friendlier colonism.

[-] Syldon@feddit.uk 0 points 1 year ago

It is a vague reference that they are following the route of China and Russia by ignoring and abusing the laws of western states.

[-] zephyreks@programming.dev 1 points 1 year ago

The laws of Western states that the West only selectively follows? Gee...

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[-] xuxebiko@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

Oh no, its a clear reference to the blind eye the west & the world has turned to the ongoing genocide of Muslims & Christians in India by Modi govt & the Hindu supremacist thugs it supports.

[-] nammi@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Oh, but US/Canada/West ordering murders in India/East/Global South is fine? The Brits haven't even acknowledged what they did to India......

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[-] itsgroundhogdayagain@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

Are we pretending the West doesn't order murders in other countries?

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[-] Blapoo@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

Is there any evidence that India ordered the assassination?

[-] LillyPip@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 year ago

And I had a conversation just last week where I verbatim said ‘Canada isn’t going to war with anyone. I mean, can you imagine?’

Well, now who has egg on their face.

[-] Omega_Haxors@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Canada's fascist roots are going to be impossible to hide when dealing with this sort of thing.

EDIT because apparently the obvious "they were going to find a way let them get away with it" wasn't unhinged enough for the internet to have it as their first thought.

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[-] Metal_Zealot@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Don't worry, there won't be. Canada has been allowing itself to be a pushover for a while now

prove me wrong, people.

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[-] snipgan@kbin.social 0 points 1 year ago

Regardless if the guy deserved it or not, killing them in a country you are supposed to be on good terms with is not the way to go about it.

At this point India is barely even trying to hide it.

[-] Pxtl@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It's too early to confirm who did it, but it looks like it just happened again:

https://lemmy.ca/post/5829102

An alleged (edit: alleged by India) Khalistani terrorist was just murdered in his home in Winnepeg.

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[-] NOT_RICK@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago
[-] Silverseren@kbin.social 0 points 1 year ago

What's interesting is that India has been claiming the guy is a terrorist for years, but never really gave specific examples of what made him a terrorist other than his spouting separatist beliefs (which maybe is enough in India to arrest someone?)

But they also don't seem to have bothered to even try to extradite him, which seems telling in itself.

[-] san_man@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago

They've sent numerous dossiers to Ottawa. But Ottawa was acting in bad faith. They even asked to send a negotiating team of govt officials to meet with the guy to negotiate peace terms. Ottawa refused to allow this. Ottawa was clearing acting in bad faith. Apparently there are people in the Canadian govt who would like to keep conflicts alive in India, perhaps to maintain some sort of leverage over them.

[-] _lemmy_07@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Have you seen the extradition request? Who told you India has not given proof to Canada? He is wanted in a bombing and multiple killings. A simple google search will give you the case no. and relevant details for his involvement in such crimes.

[-] Pxtl@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Not only that, but Canada has proven its firm hand on this. When China went apeshit after Meng Wanzhou's arrest in Canada to extradite her to the USA, Canada stuck to its guns. Even after two Canadians were taken hostage by the Chinese government in a retaliatory arrest, Meng stayed under arrest with her extradition going forward, while the rest of the world (including Modi's India) politely looked the other way rather than angering China.

India cannot possibly claim they couldn't have gotten results from Canada if they'd gone through the legal system.

[-] _lemmy_07@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

Why would India get in the way of China - Canada diplomatic relations.

India is claiming that, Kanishka bombing is a great read for Canadians who have forgotten their history and who actually they are shielding.

Hardeep Singh Nijjar was born 11 October 1977.

Air India Flight 182 was bombed 23 June 1985.

How are they related?

[-] san_man@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago

Uhh, the Khalistan separatists bombed the Air India flight. Canada's justice system failed to convict a single person for that bombing, which killed 329 people, including 268 Canadians, 27 Britons, 22 Indians, and 12 others. So much for the credibility of Canadian justice. This is in spite of repeated warnings by the Indian govt. Trudeau (current PM's father) refused to cooperate, citing that India no longer accepted the Queen as its sovereign (How the hell was that related, as a refusal? Canada's own official records literally show this.)

[-] _lemmy_07@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

I am talking about history and how it tends to repeat if you don't correct the mistakes, the mistake Canadian Govt. is making again by shielding these terrorists, just because they need NDPs support to keep their govt running and it's a shame how bais plays into it, just because you don't want to believe violent separatists are terrorists it doesn't mean they aren't.

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[-] SturgiesYrFase@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 year ago

Also, the guy in question was a Canadian citizen.

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[-] merc@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 year ago

"the guy deserved it" should never be justification for a state to kill someone. Even if you think capital punishment is justified, it should only be after a fair trial. And, if someone has a capital punishment sentence against them, that's only valid within their own borders.

If you violate a country's monopoly of the use of force within their own borders, that's a step on the path to war.

[-] san_man@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago

When the US demanded that the Taliban govt in Afghanistan hand over Bin Laden after 9/11, they refused, saying that the US should follow due process. They said the US should first submit evidence to their Sharia courts. The US responded by invading the country, ousting the Taliban and replacing their govt with one of its own choosing, and bombing and occupying the place for 20 years (the longest war in American history.)

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