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    [–] over_clox@lemmy.world 43 points 3 weeks ago (10 children)
    [–] tal@lemmy.today 13 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

    Instead of unalias ls to avoid having just ls send ANSI color escape codes to the terminal, he should really have passed the term argument to agetty, like maybe dumb.

    EDIT: At 10:22, where he starts typing the login, it looks like the teletype does seek back up to reposition the cursor at "LOGIN:", so it does support at least some limited escape codes. Maybe something a little smarter than dumb.

    Hell, maybe there's even an existing terminfo/termcap entry for a compatible teletype.

    EDIT2:

    $ infocmp -D|xargs -i% find % -type f|xargs -n1 basename|xargs -n1 infocmp|less
    

    Will give a searchable list of supported terminfo entries on a given Linux system.

    On Debian trixie, I don't see an entry for a Model 15 Teletype, but they do have an entry for a "model 33 or 35 teletype", tty33.

    EDIT3: Searching eBay, looks like there are apparently teletype machines available on eBay, though some additional poking around suggests that that may not be the most affordable way to get one.

    https://old.reddit.com/r/Teletype/comments/g30rdi/where_to_buy_first_teletype/

    Teletype post

    Where to buy first teletype?

    Hello everyone. I have always liked manual typewriters, as well as vintage computers. When I found out that teletypes existed, I thought the heavens had aligned for my ultimate device. Then I realized that I could not, for the life of me, find one at a decent price. I have a sneaking suspicion that a lot of the hobbyists online did not purchase machines that were in need of repair for upwards of $2000. (Thanks, eBay.) So my question is, where should I look if I want to purchase my first teletype without getting ripped off? I assume those prices are very inflated, as I can't imagine there is a massive market for these things. Also, does anyone have any suggestions for a good starting model? I just want to hook it up as a serial terminal. I have experience with modems, and if a modem is hardwired in, that's fine.

    Oh yeah, don't go buy one on ebay. People are insane about what they think their junk is worth, plus shipping is prohibitive. What you should do is subscribe to the Greenkeys mailing list and introduce yourself.

    Then do a little research about what kind of gear you want - an ascii one, like a 33, the kind they used to use as a computer terminal? An older 5-level one like a model 28? Even older, a model 15 or 19, or a 14 that prints/punches on paper tape instead of roll paper? Something obscure and odd looking like a 26? And ancient and rare historical artifact like a 12? Plus all the different countries' variants, etc.

    Once you have some idea what you're looking for, post to the greenkeys list and say what you're after, how much work you're able to put into getting it working (do you want something you can just start using, or do you want a restoration project?) and most importantly where you live.

    Once you've put it out there what you're looking for, if it's not super unusual it's not unheard of for it to just appear at your door. A bunch of people have more teletype machines than they can really keep, and would much rather see them go to a good home than be scrapped. Especially since many collectors are elderly and thinking about what will happen to their stuff when they die.

    EDIT4: Oh, looking at the agetty command line, he passed "asr33", for the term parameter, which is apparently a (much, much newer than the machine he has) teletype machine, but it shouldn't support color, so I don't know why he'd be worried about that. Maybe his ls aliased to ls --color=always instead of ls --color=auto or something; they don't show it in the video. Or maybe unaliasing it wasn't necessary, and he just didn't realize it.

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    [–] CuriousRefugee@discuss.tchncs.de 36 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

    Yeah, but can it play Doom?

    [–] hellfire103@lemmy.ca 24 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

    Can anything not play Doom?

    [–] Zwiebel@feddit.org 9 points 3 weeks ago

    Yes, it is I

    [–] tal@lemmy.today 11 points 3 weeks ago

    https://github.com/wojciech-graj/doom-ascii

    The frame rate may be somewhat limited, but dealing with that is really just a skill issue.

    [–] rob_t_firefly@lemmy.world 7 points 3 weeks ago

    You can crack a cacodemon over the noggin with it.

    [–] cmnybo@discuss.tchncs.de 28 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

    People actually used to use a bunch of solenoids to turn typewriters into printers back when printers were very expensive.

    [–] hellfire103@lemmy.ca 7 points 3 weeks ago

    Check out the Olivetti pcs!

    [–] svcg@lemmy.blahaj.zone 27 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

    Congratulations on perhaps the highest effort shitpost I have ever seen.

    [–] GreenShimada@lemmy.world 5 points 3 weeks ago

    I've never actually lol'ed at a Linux meme until today.

    [–] Shady_Shiroe@lemmy.world 27 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)
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    [–] lemmyknow@lemmy.today 24 points 3 weeks ago

    i use arch

    looks inside

    noarch

    [–] Fuck_u_spez_@sh.itjust.works 23 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

    Very impressive network latency. Usually when people send messages with these they have to wait weeks for a reply.

    [–] tal@lemmy.today 6 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)
    [–] Threeme2189@lemmy.world 5 points 3 weeks ago

    Interoffice memes sound more enjoyable

    [–] frunch@lemmy.world 20 points 3 weeks ago
    • FONT: REMINGTON
    • CPU: NONE
    • GPU: NONE
    • MEMORY: 0B / 0B

    🀣🀣🀣

    [–] b_tr3e@feddit.org 18 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

    No serial connection? No retrofitted, pneumatically driven typewriter as a line printer? You've got to do better to stick out.

    [–] hellfire103@lemmy.ca 11 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)
    [–] db2@lemmy.world 6 points 3 weeks ago

    Have you got a 27B stroke 6? Sorry, I'm a bit of a stickler for paperwork.

    [–] mlg@lemmy.world 18 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

    Terminal emulators are bloat, real arch users use the real teletype (tty) as intended lol

    [–] tal@lemmy.today 9 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

    Terminal emulators are bloat

    The Linux kernel itself contains a terminal emulator


    that's how you can swap among virtual terminals on the console


    and unless the code was rewritten at some point, that's really the true core of Linux; the Linux kernel originally was a terminal emulator, before the other stuff got added. Before Linus even made his first announcement, when it was still a purely one-man project that he was banging on:

    https://lunduke.substack.com/p/the-very-first-interview-about-linux

    The very first interview about Linux with Linus Torvalds - Oct 28, 1992

    LN: Please give a short summary of the history of Linux.

    Linus: Difficult. "Linux" didn't really exist until about August-91 - before that what I had was essentially just a very basic protected mode system that had evolved from a glorified "Hello world" program into a even more glorified terminal emulator. Linux stopped for quite a while at the terminal emulator stage: I played around with Minix, and used my protected mode program to read news from the univerity machine. No down/upload, but it did a fair vt100 emulation, and did it by using two tasks which communicated from keybodard->modem and modem->screen.

    By mid-summer -91, "Linux" was able to read the disk (joyful moment), and eventually had a small and stupid disk driver and a simple buffer cache. So I started out trying to make a filesystem, and used the Minix fs for simple practical reasons: that way I already had a file layout I could test things on. After some more programming (talk about glossing things over), I had a very simple UNIX that had some of the basic functionalities of the real thing: I could run small test-programs under it.

    That being said, I think that most people are probably using the framebuffer console these days


    you aren't usually talking to your graphics card in text mode on x86-64 machines, but rather in graphics mode, and an image of text is being rendered and handed to the graphics card, and I don't know if internally, the original virtual terminal code is used beneath that or if there's a different stack and two independent in-kernel virtual terminal emulators.

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    [–] rtxn@lemmy.world 16 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

    Why does it have 1 and 0 keys when i and o would work just as well? Can't stand this kind of bloat...

    /s

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    [–] cosmicrose@lemmy.blahaj.zone 15 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

    Your image description says what kind of typewriter you’re using but not the kind of paper!! What kind of paper are you using? Anything fancy?

    [–] hellfire103@lemmy.ca 11 points 3 weeks ago

    Ah, my apologies. Just a sheet of normal ISO A4 printer paper. Nothing fancy.

    [–] seraphine@lemmy.blahaj.zone 13 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)
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    [–] annoyed_onion@lemmy.world 11 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

    It's beautiful, I've looked at this for five minutes now. You've won at the internet today, gg

    [–] tal@lemmy.today 6 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

    The topping of this is going to require 220 lb 100% cotton vellum-finish cardstock and someone equipped with a calligraphy pen. There are some plotters that can take fountain pens.

    [–] zloubida@sh.itjust.works 10 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

    Your typewriter is cool :-)

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    [–] gi1242@lemmy.world 10 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

    oof. no escape key. i bet there are no vi bindings either.

    [–] tal@lemmy.today 16 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

    If you use the standard editor, ed, then these sorts of things are no obstacle.

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    [–] Opisek@lemmy.world 8 points 3 weeks ago

    Just remap caps lock smh

    [–] boredsquirrel@slrpnk.net 9 points 3 weeks ago

    Meanwhile people on fancy multiple FPS screens still use neofetch

    [–] KammicRelief@lemmy.world 9 points 3 weeks ago

    Qwerty though? Remap that thing over to Colemak or something!

    [–] unknown1234_5@kbin.earth 8 points 3 weeks ago (6 children)

    i want to see a paper based dumb terminal now

    All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy.
    All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy.
    All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy...

    [–] MissingGhost@lemmy.ml 7 points 3 weeks ago

    For a short moment, I thought it was a legit teletype...

    [–] ruuster13@lemmy.zip 6 points 3 weeks ago

    Keep going; I can see you're well on your way to getting it installed.

    [–] psycho_driver@lemmy.world 6 points 3 weeks ago

    Pretty sure this is gentoo masquerading as arch.

    [–] Echolynx@lemmy.zip 6 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

    How many attempts was that?

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    [–] Adderbox76@lemmy.ca 5 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

    Not the point of the meme, but where does one go about getting fresh supplies (ribbons, replacement keys, etc...) for old typewriters like this to keep them in top condition?

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