Not that many people seem to block Lemmy.ml, primarily because it's the dev instance.
this post was submitted on 27 Aug 2025
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Why would a standard user care about the dev instance? Admins, I would understand, mods maybe, but standard users?
https://infosec.pub/ has 348 monthly active users (so, around the same numbers as instances likes midwest.social or reddthat.com) and defederates from it.
Because it has a lot of active communities like Memes, AskLemmy, Privacy, Linux, and more.
https://lemmyverse.net/communities?order=active , in the top 20 most active communities weekly, there is only one lemmy.ml community
- Memes: Lemmy.world is more active
- AskLemmy: Lemmy.world is more active
- Privacy: Lemmy.ml is more active, but there are others like !privacy@programming.dev that are quite active too
- Linux: same as above with !linux@programming.dev
The Lemmy.ml communities are still active, though. We don't all need to consolidate into the biggest of similar communities, that goes against the fediverse structure.
My point was more that if an instance defederates lemmy.ml, the instance doesn't lose much, there are alternatives to all the .ml communities (and that does indeed follow the fediverse structure).
But again, most instances aren't defederated from Lemmy.ml. Seems like you just really want people to defed.
I don't, I'm just saying that people are blocking .ml
The only reason I have not blocked .ml is this community and Mlem are on here.
https://piefed.social/comment/7712510
I instantly blocked any .ml community. Fuck those tankies.
https://piefed.social/comment/7601405
I came here when the reddit api thing happened, and have since blocked .ml
https://lemmy.world/comment/18190083
Thanks for this, had fun reading it all. Good thing I switched to PieFed and blocked instances like .ml and hexbear.
https://piefed.social/comment/6931899
already blocked lemmy.ml 🥳
https://sh.itjust.works/comment/19223080
Most of us are completely defederated from .ml or blocking it.
https://lemm.ee/comment/21076067
Are those specific instances that are federated in (that can be separately blocked, like people do with .ml)?
https://lemmy.world/comment/17560631
I don’t remember why I blocked .ml because it was a long time ago but I’d guess I got tired of the users and many of the communities bleeding tankies into the rest of Lemmy.
https://midwest.social/comment/17924609
Well I blocked lemmy.ml, so no AMA for me :S
https://sh.itjust.works/comment/18859301
I can go on for a long time, but you get the idea.
Actually I remember us having a similar conversation 10 months ago: https://sopuli.xyz/post/18211534/12491063
I'm aware that some people block Lemmy.ml, just like some people block Lemmy.world, sh.itjust.works, etc. It seems like you are more ideologically motivated to push an anti-Lemmy.ml agenda is what I am saying.
I am listening to the feedback of the community.
Feel free to share a similar number of comments where people say they block Lemmy.zip (I don't care about SJW or LW)
I didn't say Lemmy.zip, because I wasn't talking about Lemmy.zip. I specifically mentioned Lemmy.world and sh.itjust.works as those are 2 of the more right-wing instances, and you featured examples from them specifically, alongside piefed which has similar issues due to the devs baking in their ideology into instance defaults.
Again, it seems like you're just ideologically motivated to push an anti-Lemmy.ml agenda without outright saying it.
alongside piefed which has similar issues due to the devs baking in their ideology into instance defaults.
That has been debunked several times, not sure why you are pushing an anti-Piefed agenda
You are in the first thread, I'm surprised I even have to point it out to you
Additional comment from the Piefed dev
PieFed dev here.
The screenshotted post is very misleading. As you’d expect from a hexbearian. It is not a baked-in ban.
Hexbear is mentioned in the PieFed source code, as an initial default value for the defederation list. That list is quite long and includes various instances that have been a source of trolls, CSAM and spam in the past (mostly Mastodon instances). As part of the normal setup process it is assumed that instance admins will review that list and alter it as they see fit. They can change it any time by going to instance.tld/admin/federation.
It wasn't debunked, I literally stated it's an instance default to block leftist instances like Hexbear, equating them to spam and CSAM even. I never said you can't change it if you made a Piefed instance, I said it was an instance default.
Yes, I do oppose people that make it a default to block leftist instances and place them alongside spam and CSAM. If someone didn't know what those instances were, they'd be likely to keep them blocked. It's directly putting the Piefed dev's anti-leftism into the code.
I fully admit to being opposed to people opposing leftists, I'm just not quite sure why you seem to be so cagey about having an anti-Lemmy.ml agenda. You can just say you do, or explain why you don't actually, and I'm just misunderstanding you. Keeping it this cagey just makes you seem extremely suspicious and dishonest.
I'm literally proposing Lemmy.zip over Lemmy.world as it federates with lemmy.ml
Not sure why you keep telling I'm anti Lemmy.ml when I explicitly recommend instances that federate with it.
If someone didn’t know what those instances were, they’d be likely to keep them blocked.
Example of two Piefed instances that currently federate hexbear:
- https://piefed.zip/instances?page=9&filter=federated&search=
- https://piefed.au/instances?page=6&filter=federated&search=
- https://anarchist.nexus/instances?page=4&filter=federated&search= , which is related to https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/, also federated with hexbear
List of Piefed instances that currently defederate hexbear:
- https://piefed.blahaj.zone/ , the same way https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/ does
- https://piefed.world/, the same way https://lemmy.world/ does
- https://piefed.ca/, the same way https://lemmy.ca/ does
- https://feddit.online/, the same way https://fedia.io/ does
- https://quokk.au/, it used to be the same when it was still a Lemmy instance
- https://piefed.europe.pub/, the same way https://europe.pub/ does
https://piefed.fediverse.observer/list
As you can see, instances defederating hexbear are instances managed by teams which were going to do so anyway, as they already did on Lemmy. Pretending an instance admin isn't going to review the blocklist after setting up the instance is 'extremely suspicious and dishonest'
This entire comment chain has been you pushing that many people on Lemmy.world, sh.itjust.works, and Piefed block Lemmy.ml Every time someone makes a post about "Lemmy.ml drama," you're in the comments trying to push usually Lemmy.zip or some other instance. It isn't difficult to tell that there's personal motivation behind this.
Secondly, I know that the current instance block list is roughly the same across Piefed "versions" of Lemmy instances. That doesn't change that the devs put Hexbear and Lemmygrad alongside CSAM and spam instances. The dev of Piefed even said the blocklist is long, if someone isn't familiar with the fediverse and wants to spin up a new Piefed instance, chances are higher that they will rely on the defaults.
Again, it's clear that you and I are both ideologically motivated, why is it difficult for you to state it openly? I'm not the first user to feel put off by your behavior on this matter, and I'm not going to be the last either.
This entire comment chain has been you pushing that many people on Lemmy.world, sh.itjust.works, and Piefed block Lemmy.ml
Well, you started saying a lot of people don't block Lemmy.ml, which isn't correct based on what we can see.
You didn't answer my previous point: I'm literally proposing Lemmy.zip over Lemmy.world as it federates with lemmy.ml
Not sure why you keep telling I'm anti Lemmy.ml when I explicitly recommend instances that federate with it.
You used mostly Piefed.social, Lemmy.world, and sh.itjust.works comments to make the claim that "many people block Lemmy.ml," ie you required them to make your argument. Recommending .zip isn't the point. Further, you grabbed a handful of comments, that's hardly a comprehensive study on the rate of blocking Lemmy.ml. It's shaky evidence at best.
Secondly, as I stated, the reasons you are anti-Lemmy.ml are three-fold:
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You always appear in Lemmy.ml drama threads pushing alternatives
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You try to build a case that Lemmy.ml is widely blocked with little evidence
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You defend putting Hexbear and Lemmygrad as default blocks that instance admins have to manually unblock, same as CSAM and spam
Again, why not just admit that you have personal reasons to want to do this? It's clear. I'm not going to reply anymore, this is a waste of both of our time.
- lemmy.ml and lemmygrad and hexbear are not the same, not sure why you are trying to put them in the same space.
- alternatives are 'fediverse structure', trying to keep all the communities on lemmy.ml goes 'against its structure'
Maybe the third time will be the charm, you didn’t answer my previous point: I’m literally proposing Lemmy.zip over Lemmy.world as it federates with lemmy.ml
Such an anti-lemmy.ml stance, pushing for an instance that federates with lemmy.ml
I recently started using Blorp because I saw one post from this community on my timeline. If you decide to migrate to .world, that would at least mean me and people from the instance I'm on wouldn't see it anymore.
Outside of a vocal minority, I don't think .ml is heavily blocked by people. Of course, I don't have data to back up my claim, but if that's a real issue I think it should be weighted in properly.
Tbh, I also don’t know, and don’t have data to back up my claim either. I love Lemmy and I love PieFed. I want to build a great app, but I find all the drama exhausting.
I would love to have someone else manage the Lemmy community so I can dedicate more time to working on the app. If anyone reading this has any relevant skills you think you can contribute to Blorp, please don’t be shy.
But also, reading everyone’s comments and feedback means the world to me, so I do enjoy being here too. I just wish there were more hours in the day. There’s so much I want to build.
Idk if you can tell, but I tend to ramble lol. Thanks for using Blorp!
FYI, lemmy.zip is federated with lemmygrad.ml, lemmy.ml and hexbear.net:
- https://lemmy.zip/instances
- https://lemmy.zip/c/news@hexbear.net
- https://lemmy.zip/c/memes@lemmygrad.ml
- https://lemmy.zip/c/lemmy@lemmy.ml
Edit: this would allow people from those 3 instances to still access the community
What does this mean in practice? Do people block zip because of this? Idk if I’m ever gonna be able to check every single box, and instances can always change who they federate with.
It means that the person you were replying to above would be able to access the community without issue, like for : https://lemmygrad.ml/c/technology@lemmy.zip
People do not block lemmy.zip
Sorry, rereading my comment now I realize it wasn't that clear: in summary, Lemmy.zip would allow people from lemmygrad, hexbear and lemmy.ml to also see the community
Lemmy.zip would be a great choice !
Out of curiosity, other than wanting to balance the growth of the threadiverse, was there another reason to prefer zip over world?
The great reports provided monthly: https://lemmy.zip/post/45366675
The admin is very responsive, every time I encounter a small issue it's usually fixed within the day. They are very nice too, on top of that.
That report looks sick! I also got the impression that the admins are very nice. I just also wanna make sure I chose a stable home for the community. Just want to be extra cautious after ee, shut down.
Yes of course. Same for me, and as you can guess, the lemmy.zip reports always provide good insights on how the instance is doing
If you do migrate the community I'd go with lemmy.zip. It federates with pretty much anything that isn't illegal (lemmy.zip de federation vs lemmy.ml and lemmy.world), I don't think anyone blocks it (there are some people who block lemmy.world), it appears financially stable according to their reports, it has been around for sometime (not the oldest, but not new), it hosts a blorp instance and hasn't had (to my knowledge) any controversial administrative decisions.
That being said, I personally don't care if the community is on .ml, I'd probably just wait till piefed is more established and then reconsider (especially since it has a move community function).
On an unrelated note I think there is a typo in the GitHub readme, the last word is “ap” not “app”
Yes.
Thanks to Blorp’s impressive search function, I could see that there is a community but it quickly disappeared. I had to unblock the instance in order to join the community. My time and experience online has been delightful IMO due to my ever-growing block list. I only know about 80+ people IRL who have that instance blocked and that’s not a lot.
IMO, many Blorp users will follow the community regardless. This seems to be a strong community that would be willing to support other Blorp users and that’s what really matters.
PieFed sounds lovely, I might end up there.
Of the two I would rather .zip, but they geo block the UK. No idea how many uk users you have, and if that would affect you.
The only reason I have not blocked .ml is this community and Mlem are on here.
The instance geoblocking the UK has no impact on UK users, they can access communities just fine using federation: https://feddit.uk/c/fedigrow@lemmy.zip
There is also the option of piefed.blorp.tld
Aren't you already hosting a Lemmy instance to test on? Would be coolest to have this community on !blorp@blorp.blorp or whatever domain
I am, but idk if I wanna open that up to federation. Hosting a public instance would likely take up more of my time. I wanna just focus on building Blorp.
You wouldn't need to upen it up to user-signup, just only host the community on it and all the users would be remote ones!
If people start posting CSAM content to that community it would still be something he would need to handle
That makes sense, hosting an instance can take quite a lot of time
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