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submitted 1 year ago by hedge@beehaw.org to c/technology@beehaw.org
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Interesting that it doesn't mention how Vantablack is gatekeeping FediPact and keeping certain instances from joining because she doesn't like them

[-] dark_stang@beehaw.org 1 points 1 year ago

Every time a big company gets into an open source space, they try to take it over. Hopefully everybody in the fediverse recognizes that.

[-] ericflo@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 year ago

Am I living in a different planet from the rest of the commenters here? We have much more to gain from this than they do.

[-] ccunix@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 year ago

Not really no.

The process of "embrace, extend and extinguish" has been used multiple times to destroy FLOSS projects from the inside.

Of the top of my head:

  • Kerberos
  • Office formats
  • XMPP

I've just got back from a run so my brain is not fully connected, so others can give other examples.

Meta do not want to join the party for fun. They want to join because it is the only way they can smother it.

[-] Kissaki@feddit.de 0 points 1 year ago

Can you elaborate on them? Stating just the names requires you to already be aware of how they were taken over.

[-] Kaldo@beehaw.org 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)
[-] Trones@lemmy.one 0 points 1 year ago

Look up what happened to XMPP (Jabber) when Google "integrated" with them.

https://ploum.net/2023-06-23-how-to-kill-decentralised-networks.html

Basically the sequence of events as claimed by the author is that:

  1. XMPP small niche, small circles
  2. Google launches Talk that was XMPP compatible
  3. Millions joined Talk that could coop XMPP in theory
  4. The coop worked only sparingly and was unidirectional, i.e. Talk to XMPP ✅ but XMPP to Talk ❌
  5. Talk sucked up existing XMPP users as it was obviously a better option (bandwagon effect + unidirectional "compatibility" with XMPP)
  6. Talk defederated

This demonstrated exactly the importance of reciprocity. If Meta plays dirty, defederate them then. Now is just too premature. Also frankly it is Meta that has more to lose than the fediverse at this moment as the bulk of users and thus the content are with Meta.

[-] fiah@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 1 year ago

If Meta plays dirty, defederate them then. Now is just too premature.

HARD disagree. Meta has been fighting dirty since their inception. There is no reason to put even the smallest bit of trust in them, and every reason to do the opposite. Everything they touch turns to shit, it follows then that you should never allow them to touch that which you hold dear

[-] nick@campfyre.nickwebster.dev 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I think fighting this will be a mistake. Instances ran by the likes of Tumblr and Meta can only bring more people into the fediverse, and when they're in it will be easier for them to move around.

The great thing about AcitivityPub is it lets the people who want to be in larger more centralised servers connect to those who don't fairly seamlessly.

[-] Taijk@feddit.nl 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Your sentiment though well placed seems to be incorrect, there is a big risk.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embrace,_extend,_and_extinguish

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