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The majority of the sweeping tariffs Donald Trump imposed during his second term face one final litmus test that will determine whether he can continue to levy them – and also whether businesses are eligible for massive refunds.

That potentially dramatic turn in the tariff saga comes after a federal appeals court ruled on Friday that Trump unlawfully leaned on the International Emergency Economic Powers Act (IEEPA) to impose across-the-board duties on countries.

Trump had used those powers to push import tax rates as high as 50% on India and Brazil – and as high as 145% on China earlier this year.

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[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 9 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

We're never fucking financially recovering from this administration

[–] Treczoks@lemmy.world 1 points 4 hours ago

They always claim they are the party of financial responsibility. Lets see how responsible they'll handle it.

I assume they will do like with their self-proclaimed "law and order" image, with which they put a felon in the White House, and where the AG is busy obstructing justice by wiping Republicans from a list of pedophiles instead of actually fighting crime.

[–] apftwb@lemmy.world 2 points 19 hours ago

And then the businesses will pass that refund onto the consumer, right?... Right?

[–] WanderWisley@lemmy.world 37 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Spoiler alert: even if Donny loses this battle he won’t pay anyone anything he never has and never will admit to losing or owning anything to anyone.

[–] Tinidril@midwest.social 20 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It's not Donny's money. What will happen is that importers will pass the tariffs onto consumers, as they pretty much have to, then the tariffs will be overturned and the money given back to importers, thus robbing regular people once again and transferring wealth to the capitalists.

[–] KeavesSharpi@lemmy.ml 3 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

I doubt the importers will be refunded. Obviously if they were, 90%+ will not refund their customers because why would they? I can imagine class action lawsuits down the road, but honestly I predict the supreme court will overturn any lower court rulings and let him tariff away, saying it's the congress's job to reign him in since "it's their prerogative" or some such, in a 6-3 ruling. If they wanted to stop the tariffs, the majority will argue, they could simply cancel them.

[–] Tinidril@midwest.social 1 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

I obviously grasp the injustice, but I can't imagine what the basis of a class action would be. If you agree to buy a product for $5 and they supply said product, the courts aren't going to care if their cost for it was $4 or $2. There is no constitutional right to suppliers with low profit margins.

[–] KeavesSharpi@lemmy.ml 1 points 21 hours ago

If there was a tariff fee in the invoice, there would be standing.

[–] CatDogL0ver@lemmy.world 3 points 22 hours ago

That's right. He won't pay us back because he has already launder the money into his own pocket

[–] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 47 points 2 days ago (4 children)

Am I getting a refund on the higher prices I'm paying because of tariffs?

[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 3 points 22 hours ago

Nah you get the bill citizen. Don't worry, glorious leader will have another illegal act for you to pay the fine for soon too

[–] HubertManne@piefed.social 3 points 1 day ago

yeah its like fuck that. do like the covid checks.

[–] NateNate60@lemmy.world 47 points 2 days ago (4 children)

The tariffs will go away, but the companies have realised that you're okay with paying $10 for something that used to cost $8 anyway so you'll be paying $10 from now on

[–] HasturInYellow@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago

I'll just remind everyone that the people making those ghoulish decisions have home addresses. Just normal homes in normal neighborhoods, most often without any extra security.

Be a shame if they suddenly realized there were consequences for social murder.

[–] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 22 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The only solution is to confiscate all wealth over $100 million, and use it to establish Health Care 4 All, free college/trade, UBI, minimum living wage, public services, etc.

[–] Octavio@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Come to think of it, we should do that anyway.

[–] humanoidchaos@lemmy.cif.su 3 points 1 day ago

The world would be a better place.

[–] bitjunkie@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

Until they decide to change it again in 3-6 months.

[–] tempest@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

They've been shrinkflating the shit out of everything so much.

I've recently noticed a stick of deodorant from Costco seems to be the same (already shrunken over the years) plastic shell with less actual deodorant in it.

[–] humanoidchaos@lemmy.cif.su 2 points 1 day ago

It's all about seeing how little we're willing to accept, and then conditioning us to accept even less.

[–] JustEnoughDucks@feddit.nl 40 points 2 days ago (1 children)

People haven't caught on to the grift yet. One of the people in the committee who runs the tariff decisions literally runs a financial/law institution that since the tariffs started, has been contracting with companies to pay a portions (10, 20, 40%) of the tariffs to "ease the load on the companies" but they retain the rights, in the case of what is going on i.e. tariffs being recalled and paid back, to take 100% of the tariff payback.

So a government official is steering the tariff policy to essentially steal money from companies with some alight risk of the tariffs not getting overturned. Crazy grift.

[–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 65 points 2 days ago (2 children)

All that money will go to the businesses, you’ll get a coupon for $1 off and a free credit check.

[–] Decq@lemmy.world 35 points 2 days ago (5 children)

Wouldn't surprise if this is part of the scam. Put on tarrifs, hike prices. Let the customer pay and then give companies a rebate with tax money. So the average citizen is charged twice. And of course those price hikes will only go partially down. So the consumer keeps getting screwed.

[–] saimen@feddit.org 1 points 23 hours ago

Hmm, sounds like politics made for billionaires, hmmm.

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[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 46 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Eehhh, consumers paid this, not the businesses. This way businesses would essentially get a bonus

[–] boonhet@sopuli.xyz 1 points 21 hours ago

Well, consumers paid first and foremost, but businesses lost revenue because consumers kinda stop buying shit when it doubles in price - other than essentials, of course. It's also easier to pay a bunch of businesses than to pay 300 million Americans. Oh wait, they've already done the latter, so how about do that again and people can spend the money to buy more shit from said businesses and everyone wins?

[–] Treczoks@lemmy.world 31 points 2 days ago

That's the point of Republican business support. Remember COVID, where businesses got money to "survive"?

[–] omgboom@lemmy.dbzer0.com 339 points 2 days ago (13 children)

Not only will the consumers never see a dime of any of the money if it's refunded, the companies aren't going to lower prices because you've already absorbed the price shock.

[–] whiwake@lemmy.cafe 144 points 2 days ago (18 children)

Right. Everything today is about softening you up. They say, we will kill you—and you panic—then they roll it back to just losing an arm, and you’re happy about it.

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[–] LoafedBurrito@lemmy.world 33 points 2 days ago (1 children)

None of us will see any money refunded. Remember that this is all planned out to make products more expensive for americans, so we get used to the higher prices. Then the companies with hundreds of millions in profit can make more profit when costs for them go down, they keep our prices the same and also SHRINK the size of the product.

Corporations are stealing from Americans every day and politicians are all in on the scam, so no one will do anything about it.

[–] oatscoop@midwest.social 7 points 1 day ago

"Look, we lowered prices!" -- ignoring that the new "lower" prices are still higher than the pre-tariff prices.

[–] SlippiHUD@lemmy.world 54 points 2 days ago (6 children)

How far does this refund go? My distributor paid the tarrifs and then passed that cost onto me, which I passed onto my customers.

Will my customers, distributors, or myself be refunded? I assume just my distributor since they directly paid the tarrif. And I doubt prices will come down when tarrifs end, so everything is permanently more expensive for no fucking reason, and the top middle man just boosted his profit margin through the roof.

[–] moakley@lemmy.world 17 points 2 days ago (3 children)

So that would mean that the Trump tariffs were sending American money overseas for no reason. I doubt it'll actually happen, but holy shit is Trump an incompetent idiot.

[–] SlippiHUD@lemmy.world 20 points 2 days ago (6 children)

No, the US company recieving the import pays the tarrif to the US government.

But yes, Trump is an idiot.

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[–] njm1314@lemmy.world 37 points 2 days ago

Oh so we get to pay twice then. Great.

[–] ALLGLORYTOHYPNOTOAD@lemmy.world 112 points 2 days ago (4 children)

That money should go to us because the business passed the price increases on to us!

[–] MuskyMelon@lemmy.world 43 points 2 days ago (1 children)

The businesses will raise a lawsuit that the money is theirs and you will lose again.

[–] 3abas@lemmy.world 40 points 2 days ago (1 children)

And the prices won't go back down.

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[–] cronenthal@discuss.tchncs.de 54 points 2 days ago (2 children)

So the idiot who managed to ruin every business he ever owned created an absolute clusterfuck running the US, who could've known?

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[–] drmoose@lemmy.world 33 points 2 days ago (3 children)

how would refund like this even work? Many businesses closed shop entirely due to these tarrifs, could they sue the government too? This would be crazy and this massive overhead risk could block the entire thing.

[–] bigfondue@lemmy.world 41 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

This is why huge policy changes are discussed and planned for years. One guy being able say "Tariffs starting on Monday!" is fucking idiotic.

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[–] radiofreebc@lemmy.world 78 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Small businesses, back of the line. Gotta make sure those billionaires don't lose out first.

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[–] aeternum@lemmy.blahaj.zone 21 points 2 days ago

much like all the other illegal shit dumpy mcshitpants has done, who is gonna tell him he can't have his big boy tariffs?

[–] TipRing@lemmy.world 28 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Surely the price hikes will reverse at that point and won't just remain higher indefinitely causing another price/price inflationary spiral.

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[–] Mobiuthuselah@mander.xyz 57 points 2 days ago (5 children)

Was it not the end consumer who paid those tariffs?? Frankly, I'd rather it be given back to the business at least, but let's not pretend that they didn't extract it from their customers. End it so that other companies can't as easily gouge based on the idea of tariffs.

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