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China Is Rapidly Becoming a Leading Innovator in Advanced Industries (itif.org)

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[–] humanspiral@lemmy.ca 9 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Summary is very significantly understated. China is very far ahead in robotics, and AI is at least on par. Manufacturing and construction being far ahead makes everything important far ahead. Military production capacity and "military tech value", where quantity is quality, has China far ahead.

From summary, this is denial meant to spur more government investment in a competition that is already lost using a corrupt US oligarchist model of privatized profit enhancement without any concern for produced value.

[+] theshatterstone54@feddit.uk -6 points 1 week ago (3 children)

While I don't disagree, I think talking about the corrupt oligarchist model as if it isn't matched (if not outclassed) by the CCP's control and surveillance in China feels disingenuous.

[–] chloroken@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 week ago (1 children)

China bad am I right

[+] theshatterstone54@feddit.uk -6 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Correction: both are bad. The only good outcome is where neither the US nor China is a lone superpower, but instead they both compete economically, driving innovation and improvement for the rest of the world to enjoy.

[–] chloroken@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Lmao

[–] theshatterstone54@feddit.uk 0 points 1 week ago

Did people forget when the US went to shit, and how the US quality of life only really started declining when they won the Cold War and had no more competition? Competition is key to pushing the US to do better. It's not going to do that without the threat of China (not that it's doing that now, but the principle still stands).

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Did we actually find peak liberalism?

[–] theshatterstone54@feddit.uk -1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Maybe? Idk if I should feel honoured, as that's sort-of how I'd align myself.

I'd say I'm more of a social democrat personally.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 week ago

Social Democrats are a sub-category of liberal. Either way, the idea that "competition" is inherently good for the people is extremely flawed thinking, a world without the US Empire would be far better.

[–] humanspiral@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 week ago (2 children)

That we are free, for now, to talk about how extreme corrupt US is, gets drowned out by shills simping for how awesome our rulers are. Freedom of speech becomes funding lies and divisiveness. Every country that adopts US like free speach laws turns out to have total political class unanimity about CIA/Israel's right for supremacist rule over them and world.

We have surveillance too. China uses it to eliminate bike theft, and permits unattended public ebike charging.

Control

We have a very strong order with total control over us for benefit of oligarchy. It is so expensive to participate/change democracy that appeal to the oligarchy is necessary. Chuck Schumer openly brags that his job is to gaslight the left into supporting Israel, and the coincidence that is only money for war, and never any for progressive agenda is gaslighting by design. Control is a loaded word, in that if you want to control against CIA destabilization or subjugation of your rulers, you have to. The Paris Commune was most ideal government ever implemented, but lack of control/security against an Oligarchy who needs to destroy it to not look so bad in comparison, was the failure point. FBI has been involved in sabotaging US political movements many times over. Green party and leader only makes any speech/efforts 2 months before election.

It's easy to accuse/complain about control. Orders of magnitude more important is how corrupt and oppressive to life/prosperity (pluralist economic survival) that control is. OP article is control to support the underlying premise that we need to fund competition and war with China as the given, and that the only answer is to double our oligarchist appropriations to keep on that given path.

[–] theshatterstone54@feddit.uk 1 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Nobody is saying the US is all good. But it likely isn't as horrible as China. Is it certainly the lesser of two evils? I'm actually not completely sure, but I'd guess the US isn't as horrible.

[–] humanspiral@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

US colonial empire in its entirety is most corrupt ever. For US, zionist, corporatist oligarchy and monopoly supremacy is guaranteed dictatorial mandate enforced by media. In NATO and other colonies, CIA/State buying loyalty from every politician and media, while also threatening to JFK non compliance is very cheap. That the corruption of empire is more visibly extreme under Trump, doesn't mean it wasn't always there. Under direct economic war from US, NATO colonies have pledged to bankrupt their own countries with 5% of GDP in US weapons purchases to double down on a losing war with Russia, that the US started.

There needs to be military coup in US and in colonies. Constitution is worthless and corruption irreparable, IMO, but even if repairable, no one is coming close to proposing it, and the effort required within the rigged system against dictatorial pillage and designed collapse is simply too monumental.

So, Chinese system is far better than West's. Military/one party rule doesn't mean kleptocracy or oppression. It doesn't mean no one is ever allowed to make improvement suggestions. In recent survey, Chinese were more happy with their level of democracy than Western countries by a 2:1 factor. It's not even remotely close as to which is the lesser evil.

[–] theshatterstone54@feddit.uk 0 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Oh my goodness.

Go to the US and call Trump a fuckwit.

Then go to China and call Xi Jinping a fuckwit.

Which one had you arrested? That's right, China.

Go to the US and say Assange and Snowden are heroes and should be remembered.

Then go to China and say the Tiananmen Square Massacre should be remembered.

Which one had you arrested? That's right, China.

Now do the same with the political system.

Now try to access an anti-US propaganda site from the US.

Then try to access an anti-China propaganda site from China.

Which one's access was blocked? That's right, China.

Now ask ChatGPT about the US Government's war crimes.

Then ask Deepseek about the Chinese Government's war crimes.

Which one refused to answer? That's right, Deepseek from China.

I'm not saying the US is good. In fact, I agree with basically all you said about the bad in the US. But don't be fooled by the mask of the Chinese Dictatorship. The proles are easy to fool, and statistics are easy to fake. I should know, I come from a heavily corrupt post-communist state that would make US corruption look like Child's Play in comparison.

The only things China is better at, are the more efficient brainwashing and exploitation of its citizens, and the more efficient use of funds, funneling them towards further wealth of the state, rather than further wealth of the billionaire class (because in China they aren't just friends, they're one and the same).

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Capitalists that mouth off are silenced in China, yes, as are any genuine threats to capitalism in the US Empire. The rest of your comment is just hatred of the working class. "Brainwashing" fundamentally doesn't exist, it was invented during the Korean War to explain why Chinese supported their government, and failed to be achieved by MK-Ultra. China doesn't have advanced brainwashing tech. The reality is that people support socialism because it works for them.

In China, capitalists are subservient to the working class. The state is under control of the working class, and has been since the CPC beat the Kuomintang. Your hatred of the working class would make Orwell blush.

[–] theshatterstone54@feddit.uk -2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

... as are any genuine threats to capitalism in the US Empire

Yeah, I pretty much agree. I guess you could argue that Bernie is still alive, but there's a reason the Dems never let him run, and there's been smear campaigns against him.

"Brainwashing" fundamentally doesn't exist.

Not as you interpreted it, it doesn't. But in the metaphorical sense, (like the media keeping you focused on other things, you know the whole "bread and circuses" thing) it does.

The reality is that people support socialism because it works for them.

You think the people actively support China's flavour of authoritarian communism deliberately, and not because of fear or the media? Tell that to the Tank Man and all the others that died fighting for democracy and freedom, at the Tiananmen Square Massacre.

The state is under the control of the working class

I don't think I've heard anything that's more ridiculous than that!

Tell that to the Uyghurs and other muslims that the CCP is sending to internment camps. I don't think the workers in those camps control the state in any way, otherwise they wouldn't be in there in the first place.

Your hatred of the working class would make Orwell blush

And your defence of dictatorships will make Trump, Musk and Thiel squeal in joy.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 week ago

Bernie isn't a challenge to capitalism, he's a social democrat that wants welfare capitalism. Unlike Fred Hampton, MLK jr. etc.

Brainwashing does not exist. Propaganda exists in all systems, and works by appealing to felt material reality, not by fundamentally rewriting it.

The people overwhelmingly support the PRC in China, and it's because their conditions have been dramatically improving. "Tank Man" wasn't killed, and neither were the protestors on the square. Riots around Beijing resulted in hundreds of deaths, yes, but you're clinging to a falsified version of events. The rioters weren't supporting "democracy and freedom," but a restoration of capitalism and liberal control. The protests were unpopular, and now polling shows overwhelming support for the PRC:

As for Xinjiang, read this resource guide. Support for the CPC persists in Xinjiang, despite the re-education programs for the seperatists.

All in all, you fully accept Red Scare nonsense and try to slander me as "supporting dictators" as you directly parrot the talking points of Theil, Musk, and Trump.

[–] humanspiral@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 week ago

The true power of free speech is the power of divisive lies/disinformation. That you think your media is free/honest, allows it far greater disinformation power to ensure oligarchist/zionist supremacy control. It has gotten to an extra level with Trump threatening media whose news departments push back on his disinformation, or Universities that permit disapproval of genocide. Zionazi media mergers for Paramount and TikTok designed to patch up any threats to supremacist order.

Is the freedom to lie more important than the deserved fuckwit status? CIA corruption of colonies requires the freedom of divisiveness propaganda/lies. Even little people like me, can get banned from reddit/lemmy main CIA subs for pushing back on zionazi warmongering disinformation propaganda. Speech that could change anything is definitely suppressed. You don't notice it when you just agree with (your fundamentally state) supremacist media narratives.

If making Winnie the Pooh or Mohamed cartoon memes is important to your "happiness", it's almost certainly because divisiveness is important to your salary or self/social esteem.

A constitution and democracy that protects zionazi lizard people rulership, is one that protects it from any sunglasses that exposes them. The goggles, they do nothing. It's late stage democracy.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 week ago

The US Empire is orders of magnitude worse than the PRC and relies on imperialism to function. It exports terror and genocide while importing plunder from the global south. It isn't close.

[–] Blisterexe@lemmy.zip 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Okay, genuine ask, why don't you move to china? You could make a good living being an english teacher or something.

[–] humanspiral@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 week ago

Cuba would be closer. South east Asia has more open expat process. Breaking political corruption in my country, is beyond my power or tolerance for MLK/Malcom X treatment. Certainly the path towards economic collapse and Oligarchist pillaging into extreme effective poverty is something that could affect me, but that can be delayed for 20 years, and a debt default reset is an escape. Climate destruction is not inherently bad for Canada. Retardation of joining US in war on China still seems too absurd to me, even though everyone around lemmy is so programmed into being gung ho over it.

CIA control over Canada, just needs to be throttled out of moronic acceptance for it. Seems so obvious to terminate it. But, sure there comes a point where collapse is just intentional design. Even if I oppose Canada's participation in war on China, would I be safe, either politically or from nuke strikes, there?

[–] folaht@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

CPC

[–] Sims@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 week ago

! "CCP" is the best tell, to see if someone have been propagandized ! "CCP" is used as a slur in those circles, and even using it casually shows exactly what limited and biased sources the person have chosen.

[–] PanArab@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I wonder if white people will be more racist or less racist once it becomes clear that you don't need to be of European origin nor need to adopt their systems and values to excel at science and technology.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 week ago

I fully expect that the west will start becoming more racist and isolationist because the relations with the global south are already antagonistic. On the other hand, it's very likely that Russia will go in the opposite direction because it is economically dependent on the global south. Increase in trade and tighter economic relations will necessarily translate into better social relations and more mutual respect.