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Big O notation is about what matters when the numbers get big. (programming.dev)
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It's about asking, "how does this algorithm behave when the number of elements is significantly large compared to when the number of elements is orders of magnitude larger?"

Big O notation is useless for smaller sets of data. Sometimes it's worse than useless, it's misguiding. This is because Big O is only an estimate of asymptotic behavior. An algorithm that is O(n^2) can be faster than one that's O(n log n) for smaller sets of data (which contradicts the table below) if the O(n log n) algorithm has significant computational overhead and doesn't start behaving as estimated by its Big O classification until after that overhead is consumed.

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"A graph of Big O notation time complexity functions with Number of Elements on the x-axis and Operations(Time) on the y-axis.

Lines on the graph represent Big O functions which are are overplayed onto color coded regions where colors represent quality from Excellent to Horrible

Functions on the graph:
O(1): constant - Excellent/Best - Green
O(log n): logarithmic - Good/Excellent - Green
O(n): linear time - Fair - Yellow
O(n * log n): log linear - Bad - Orange
O(n^2): quadratic - Horrible - Red
O(n^3): cubic - Horrible (Not shown)
O(2^n): exponential - Horrible - Red
O(n!): factorial - Horrible/Worst - Red"

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[-] MostlyBlindGamer@rblind.com 7 points 11 months ago

I’d also add that performance needs to be balanced with readability and engineering hours, and considered in context.

I have plenty of code that would be asymptotically catastrophic, but only runs once a day on off hours over a physically limited dataset.

Your post is a very good contribution to the realization that we’re supposed to use data and rules to inform our decisions, not to stop us from thinking.

[-] agilob@programming.dev 0 points 11 months ago

Big O notation is useless for smaller sets of data. Sometimes it’s worse than useless, it’s misguiding.

I don't agree that it's useless or misguiding. The smaller dataset, the less important it is, but it makes massive difference how the rest of the algorithm will be working and changing context around it.

Let's say that you need to sort 64 ints, in a code that starts our operating system. You need to sort it once per boot, and you boot less frequently than once per day, in fact you know instances of the OS that have 14 years of uptime, so it doesn't matter at all right? Welp. Now your OS is used by a big cloud provider and they use that code to boot the kernel 13 billions times per day. The context changed, time passed by, your silly bubble sort that doesn't matter on small numbers is still there.

[-] noli@programming.dev 11 points 11 months ago

While I get your point, you're still slightly misguided.

Sometimes for a smaller dataset an algorithm with worse asymptomatic complexity can be faster.

Some examples:

  • Radix sort's complexity is linear. Then why would most people still want to use e.g. quicksort? Because for relatively smaller datasets, the overhead of radix sort overpowers the gain from being asymptotically faster.
  • One of the most common and well-known optimizations for quicksort is to switch over to insertion sort when subarray sizes become smaller than a certain size. This is because for small datasets (I'm talking e.g. 10 elements) insertion sort is just objectively faster.

Big O notation only considers the largest factor. It is still important to consider the lower order factors in some cases. Assume the theoretical time complexity for an algorithm A is 2nlog(n) + 999999999n and for algorithm B it is n^2 + 7n. Clearly with a small n, B will always be faster, even though B is O(n^2) and A is O(nlog(n)).

Sorting is actually a great example to show how you should always consider what your data looks like before deciding which algorithm to use, which is one of the biggest takeaways I had from my data structures & algorithms class.

This youtube channel also has a fairly nice three-part series on the topic of sorting algorithms: https://youtu.be/_KhZ7F-jOlI?si=7o0Ub7bn8Y9g1fDx

[-] Pluckerpluck@programming.dev 3 points 11 months ago

Except the point of this post is that a different sort with worse Big O could be faster with a small dataset.

The fact that you're sorting those 64 ints billions of times simply doesn't matter. The "slower" sort is still faster in practice.

That's why it's important to realize that Big O notation can be useless for small datasets. Because it can actually just be lying to you.

It's actually mathematical. Take any equation:

y = x^2 + x

For large x the squared term dominates. The linear may as well not exists. It's O(x^2). But when x is below 1? Well suddenly that linear term is the more important one! Below 1 it's actually O(x) in practice.

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