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I've seen a depressing trend of Democratic politicians embracing anti trans talking points and compromising gender affirming care for young people. This is extremely concerning as states and the federal government are undermining access to care now more than ever. Democrats standing by trans people has far more dire consequences now than ever, yet we're being treated as politically disposable by people who used to campaign on lgbtq issues like Gavin Newsom and Pete Buttigieg.

I can't say I'm surprised. Liberal papers like the New York Times has been uncritically promoting unscientific transphobia for years that claims alternatives exist to gender affirming care. My guess is that people see a person transitioning as an unfortunate thing, desperately wishing there was another way. They ignore the fact that gender affirming care is both the best treatment for dysphoria, and one of the most successful treatments for any mental condition ever discovered.

To put it simply, making gender affirming care harder to obtain for kids will kill many of them. Kids being kept from care by their parents already drives people to suicide, and a slimy politician preventing supportive parents from helping their kids will do the same. Every time I see people claim these guys are our best shot at beating fascism, I die inside. I have no doubt that they'll eventually axe care for all adults like everyone who was originally "worried about fairness in sports" is currently pushing for. The only way they won't is if we make it a costly issue for them.

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[–] Zink@programming.dev 4 points 1 day ago

Ok, look, as long we PINKY PROMISE that we're going to stop at the VERY FIRST one of the "first they came for the..." marginalized groups, you gotta let us murderize JUST THEM and then bada bing, bada boom, fascism is cooked!

[–] Sunshine@piefed.ca 31 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Mamdani needs to become mayor of New York already to show these clown democrats how to do their jobs.

[–] explodicle@sh.itjust.works 15 points 1 day ago (1 children)

They are doing their jobs. They aren't stupid, they just don't work for us.

[–] JcbAzPx@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago (3 children)

And we shouldn't be voting for anyone who won't work for us.

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[–] renamon_silver@lemmy.wtf 23 points 1 day ago (2 children)

You guys don't get it. We need to concede the civil rights of a marginalized group to defeat fascism!

if the Social Democrats would just concede the Jewish Question, they could have kept the Nazis out of power!

[–] DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works 11 points 1 day ago (15 children)

Democrats should really just embrace pro-gun politics and win over both right-wingers and left-wing gun owners.

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[–] supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz 41 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

I've seen a depressing trend of Democratic politicians embracing anti trans talking points and compromising gender affirming care for young people.

Burn the DNC to the ground, these impotent acts of betrayal of the voting base that fail to meaningfully activate anyone in return are the unmistakable indicators of a terminal disease in the party.

The sooner we do it, the sooner we can start building a real party on the left in the US.

This isn't redeemable or reformable.

[–] Sunshine@piefed.ca 9 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Make a third party that appeals regionally at first than expand nationwide to replace the democrats.

[–] scarabic@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (6 children)

It’s a mathematical certainty that any work on a third party will only help the party that it is most unlike. Seriously, you aren’t the first to think “fuck it, let’s just have a NEW party.” You will spend your days actively harming your interests until you die. And here’s the part where you tell me it needs to get worse before it gets better. No, it doesn’t. It needs to get better incrementally over long time scales and that is the ONLY way anything has ever improved anywhere. Do the work. This nonsense about burning down the world over a single issue is performative crap we don’t have time for.

[–] Sunshine@piefed.ca 11 points 1 day ago (12 children)

This is why first-past-the-post needs to be replaced with the single transferable vote. The rules were originally designed by the rich for the rich.

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[–] WorldsDumbestMan@lemmy.today 11 points 1 day ago (8 children)

Not what they mean at all. It's just that social issues are secondary to winning the war.

This means putting it off until Conservatives can no longer stop us.

(Not trans btw, just believe in trans right)

[–] piefood@feddit.online 17 points 1 day ago (4 children)

Their strategy is currently losing the war, as well as social issues

[–] BanMe@lemmy.world 10 points 1 day ago

My FB feed is still littered with die-hard liberals espousing views we could afford to debate 15, 20 years ago. Pollution and gun rights. Every word they say is heard differently by the other side and they still don't get it. Fascists are taking over the US and they want to figure out how to recycle better.

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Thanks. Glad I'm here for you to sacrifice.

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[–] ArmchairAce1944@discuss.online 10 points 1 day ago (1 children)

That's like saying they need to give up on the mentally and intellectually handicapped in order to fight the original Nazis... it was who they killed first!

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[–] ameancow@lemmy.world 18 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Sure, but it is kinda funny how every time people start to get close to attacking capitalism or supporting socialists rising in power, suddenly there's a big wave of hate and outrage at trans people, gay people, migrants, etc.

It's almost like they want us to butt-heads with a majority of the population about issues that population will never budge on because the average American has the attention span and compassion of a broken chunk of drywall and only know how to fight.

I have been saying this for a long time, do not abandon advocacy for the rights of marginalized people, but if we want to actually bend society to protecting and respecting those rights, we have to bend it against corporate influence, we have to elect anti-oligarchs, socialists and economic progressives to our local seats of power and influence, we have to kick the legs out from under the foundation of the system that will come for trans people, it will come for gay people, it will come for brown, black and interracial couples, it will come for the mentally handicapped and it will come for women and children, it will come for your video games and your weed and your furry art. One-by-one, every single right and freedom will be lost if we don't start using our strongest weapon against their most vulnerable weak-point, which is by not spending money on luxuries, saving cash away from the banks and corporations who want to "borrow" it.

Our interpersonal narratives with each other need to keep focusing on how the wealthy are the ones making us hate each other, they're the ones driving up the price of eggs, they're the ones making us scared of trans people, they're the ones running congress and senate, they're the ones making gas cost so much, they're the ones taking chunks out of our paychecks and giving us NOTHING in return.

Again, all anyone knows how to do is argue and fight so we have to channel that at the right targets instead of meeting it head-on or we will keep getting stuck in this spiral that has seen only losses in the last decade.

[–] yesman@lemmy.world 15 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Your "reasoned" argument to "slow down", "don't rock the boat" or "be patient" for social justice would be familiar to Civil Rights activists. MLK suggested that the "white moderate" was a bigger obstacle to civil rights than the white citizens council.

What you're really saying is that class struggle takes priority over social justice. The big problem with that is that social justice has never came to people who who politely sit at the back of the bus.

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[–] Jankatarch@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago

"Let's meet in the middle and only oppress people 50%"

[–] DeathsEmbrace@lemmy.world 15 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Welcome to your civilization. Where your rights are used to further agendas.

Edit:Not Progress

[–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago

I think its extremely uncommon to say we have to sacrifice trans rights

More commonly some people say trans rights are a fringe issue not necessary to defeat fascism, and slightly less common yo say trans rights were never even on the table.

If you have to pick between an anti-trans dnc and a Republican then you're gonna be voting on some other issue like whether or not to bring back Gulags and if the lower 90% should be able to afford housing or food or healthcare.

[–] ShinkanTrain@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

But you see, throwing trans people under the bus is a necessary step to finally convince the people running the camps that we're on their side. I'm actually reducing harm. I'm a good person.

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