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Recent news revealed that Spotify’s CEO Daniel Ek has been investing heavily in military tech companies, which adds another ethical layer to a platform already criticized for how little it pays musicians !

Spotify only pays artists about $3–5 per 1,000 streams, using a pro-rata model that directs most money toward major stars... By contrast, Qobuz (≈$18–20 per 1,000 streams) and Tidal (≈$12–13) pay far more fairly!

However Tidal is far from ethical. Most of its revenue is controlled by private investors and founders and small artists still earn very little...

More fair-minded platforms like Bandcamp, Resonate, Ampled, or SoundCloud’s fan-powered royalties prioritize musicians over investors.

With these more ethical alternatives available, why do we keep using Spotify?

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[–] 30p87@feddit.org 63 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Pirate and pay creators directly.
Pirating is the objectively best, most private and future proof user experience you're gonna get.

[–] Mihies@programming.dev 24 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Pirate and pay creators directly.

How does that even work?

[–] ober@lemmy.dbzer0.com 16 points 2 days ago (18 children)

Personally I do this by buying merch. If I buy a shirt from a band than not only do I get a cool shirt but the band also gets paid more in that single transaction than if I listened to their music 5000 times on spotify.

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[–] 30p87@feddit.org 30 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (13 children)

Contact them, ask for ways to donate. Until they publicly provide that info.

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[–] rozodru@piefed.social 4 points 1 day ago

I prefer to pay artists I like directly either via merch, patreon, or going to their concerts.

for my music? soulseek/nicotine+ on my server.

the problem is Spotify is by far the best streaming platform out there, bar none. I've tried the other's like Tidal and Deezer and what have you and just didn't like them. Amazon Music was absolutely horrible. The only other alternative would be youtube music with an adblocker. How do I find new artists? youtube shorts believe it or not.

But yeah I'd rather pay the artists directly.

[–] vga@sopuli.xyz 8 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Daniel Ek is investing in European defense companies. This is not unethical.

Spotify paying like shit to their artists and platforming Joe Rogan are totally valid reasons to move away though. But the thing is that Spotify is sort of like radio. How much did radio pay for artists for each time the song was played? Genuinely asking.

What I do is I do 90% of my listening on Spotify. Then when I hear something really good, I buy and download their album, usually on Bandcamp and mostly keep listening them on Spotify because it's just so much lesser hassle. Seems like the best of both worlds. Thought about going to vinyls but I'm not hipster enough.

[–] lemmyknow@lemmy.today 4 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I've started on vinyls. They're cool, but it's some work. Gotta store it right, handle with care, clean them. And that doesn't guarantee it won't skip around or, worse, get stuck on a loop. I do like the big square that is the sleeve cover, and it's just kind of cool. But I've been considering CDs instead. Cheaper, afaik, and can be ripped onto a PC with the right hardware (which I presume is allowed — so long as you don't distribute it — given you pay for it). Cover art is unfortunately smaller, and I've seen some cool vinyl concepts that probably wouldn't work as CDs (colourful? Semitransparent? Glow in the dark????). But far more convenient, and cheaper. Plus, with the right hardware, I could also listen to FM radio

Vinyls are cool, CDs more are convenient (or so I reckon)

[–] Powderhorn@beehaw.org 2 points 1 day ago

LOL. "I've been considering CDs" is not something I've heard since the '80s. And you don't really need specialized hardware to rip tracks to digital. Literally any optical drive can do that.

[–] thatsnothowyoudoit@lemmy.ca 24 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

It’s worse. My music is on Spotify - while I would no longer meet their minimum for payments, even before that change they refused to pay me or provide stats until I provided a twitter or Facebook page/IG page, none of which I have - despite publishing through an established publishing company who could absolutely handle payments and play stats.

Spotify is cancer.

[–] fjordo@feddit.uk 10 points 2 days ago (2 children)

I stream with Tidal and for my favourite bands I'll buy their music on 7digital or Bandcamp.

I'd go with Qubuz but they have this whole Qubuz Coin thing that I really don't like. If they removed that I'd switch immediately.

[–] harfang@slrpnk.net 7 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Note that Tidal is owned by Black rocks funds ...which make it very non-ethical platform

[–] fjordo@feddit.uk 6 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Yeah, unfortunately I don't have much choice at the moment. I refuse support platforms that in my opinion have anti-consumer pricing models, and I want artists to get the most money out of my streams, so it's a bit of a catch-22.

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[–] BunScientist@lemmy.zip 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I buy stuff on bandcamp during bandcamp fridays (which allegedly gives all revenue to the artist), but you need the artist to be there in the first place.

[–] grrgyle@slrpnk.net 24 points 2 days ago (6 children)

I buy on Bandcamp Fridays, but am suspicious of that platform since they changed owners so often without any input from the community or musicians.

I'm keeping my eye on https://subvert.fm/ as a hopefully more democratic option.

[–] cityboundforest@beehaw.org 4 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

I've heard that Mirlo.space is a good alternative to Bandcamp, and as an artist myself, it looks to be a good replacement.

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[–] BurgerBaron@piefed.social 5 points 2 days ago (3 children)

I find Spotify is dogshit to navigate I can't find anything. If I let it autoplay it'll just start playing generic shitty dance music. I don't get it. I've never discovered an artist through Spotify.

I exclusively use Bandcamp lately. Unfortunately, American owned. Looking into other suggestions here.

[–] Schmuppes@lemmy.today 1 points 1 day ago

I used to discover artists on Pandora. That site was great.

[–] jerkface@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Not just any American: Tim Sweeney! I've talked to artists and they have said that there hasn't been any fallout yet. I have to imagine it's just a matter of time if it doesn't manage to buy itself back or something.

[–] BurgerBaron@piefed.social 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I heard that news. Swiney owned yeah, my future prediction is the same as yours.

[–] jerkface@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)
[–] BurgerBaron@piefed.social 1 points 1 day ago

Oh good, even worse!

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[–] pfr@lemmy.sdf.org 7 points 2 days ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Can some tell me how Deezer stacks up? I switched from Spotify to Deezer a little while ago, not for any real reason, other than Spotify kept increasing their prices and I don't really listen to audio books or podcasts even. Plus Deezer streams hifi flacs as standard so it sounds way better. I've got no idea how ethical they are tho, but would be interested to learn.

Edit: so I did my own research and looks like Deezer pays sightly more per stream than Spotify, but marginally..

Never mind, I'm beginning to build my local music library and self host it. I buy lots of merch and I go to gigs regularly. Once my library is substantial enough I'll quit the streaming apps

[–] 0x0@lemmy.zip 6 points 2 days ago

That's been my take. Buy from the band or their merch whenever possible.
Bandcamp is a close second best, as is HDTracks although they're both from murica.
Otherwise sail the high seas.

I was never a fan of rent music until we stop you anyway.

[–] BuboScandiacus@mander.xyz 6 points 2 days ago (2 children)
[–] vga@sopuli.xyz 11 points 2 days ago (3 children)

That pays exactly $0 per stream to the artists.

[–] BuboScandiacus@mander.xyz 4 points 2 days ago

You can donate to the ones who deserve it and still have access to the drm free music locally

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[–] Scrollone@feddit.it 6 points 2 days ago (4 children)

That doesn't solve discoverability of new content, which is one of the good features of Spotify

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[–] ozoned@piefed.social 10 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Bandwagon, Faircamp, Love a Brother Radio, The Indie Beat. Probably not what you're looking for, but direct creator support, Fedi powered, all wonder folks.

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[–] Powderhorn@beehaw.org 12 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Old fart checking in ... why not just buy the tracks instead of paying for monthly access that screws artists? I mean, each song is unlikely to be more than $1.49, and then you own it. I don't have a streaming music account and never will because the idea of paying repeatedly for the same thing -- with the option of it being pulled at any time -- is nauseating.

[–] mcbenavides85@piefed.social 12 points 2 days ago (4 children)

An old fart listens to entire albums! Fake!

I’m an old fart.

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[–] Ulrich@feddit.org 6 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Why would I? Pay $1.49 to listen to 1 song over and over or pay $12 to listen to basically the entirety of human creation any time I want? Not to mention custom playlists and whatnot.

[–] Powderhorn@beehaw.org 6 points 2 days ago (1 children)

My music collection spans some 1,700 tracks and several full albums. It's not difficult to create local playlists, I don't pay monthly, and I don't have an excessive data plan because I need streaming. Look at the knock-on costs. It's not $12/month.

[–] Ulrich@feddit.org 5 points 2 days ago (14 children)

I listen to probably at least a dozen new songs every day. If I bought them that would cost me $18/day. Or $540/mo. Not to mention the absolute fortune required to store them all locally.

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