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[–] ileftreddit@piefed.social 67 points 17 hours ago (5 children)

Twitter is just for nazis now, 2020 was NOT rigged but 2024 sure as fuck was

[–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 7 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

2020 was mostly definitely rigged, thats why trump kept saying it was rigged. he shut up real quick when he won the 24 eleciton. and dems are afraid to call it rigged themselves.

[–] QueenHawlSera@sh.itjust.works 5 points 3 hours ago

They were gaslit into accepting 2024 no matter what

[–] CosmicTurtle0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 70 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

2020 was rigged -- for Trump. That's why Trump was so convinced that he should have won.

There were enough protections in place to keep him from winning.

[–] MiddleAgesModem@lemmy.world 0 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago)

Yeah that makes a ton of sense. He didn't cheat, he lied about losing. The "protections" that kept him from winning is our normal electoral process.

[–] kameecoding@lemmy.world 22 points 15 hours ago (16 children)

I don't mean to come off as a conservative cunt, but what evidence is there that 2024 was rigged?

As an outside observer all I saw was sexism and racism handing the election to trump, or I guess democrats being so high on their own supply that they thought the right time to run a PoC woman as candidate was at a 70 year high of fascism

[–] BCsven@lemmy.ca 10 points 8 hours ago (2 children)

Beaides stolen ballot boxes and firebombed ones, some data scientists suggested the way the data came in numbers/volume by region or some anomolies, suggested tampering of some kind. Since democrats didn't raise a stink, I guess it no longer matters

[–] QueenHawlSera@sh.itjust.works 3 points 5 hours ago

Democrats were gaslit into going along with it

[–] orbitz@lemmy.ca 5 points 9 hours ago

Okay this is what I've gleened from a site posted often about it (something about free elections? Or has election in the url)I am not sure where I sit but given Trump's history, his many statements while campaigning it's not hard to believe there wasn't cheating but if it's this who knows.

There a number of voting areas that apparently had anomalies that haven't been seen to that level (ouch just read that as Trump but this line is apparently from people who look into this stuff) in previous elections. I forget the exact details but it's a link posted often online. Something to do with people voting for Trump but Democrats down ticket or just voting for Trump and leaving the less blank (forget exactly). These were only noticed on in person voting whereas the statistics of the mail in votes did not match this pattern. The other part being that it was one sided, there was no similar notice on Harris's votes. If I recall this pattern was similar for mail in between the two but not for in person voting. Also something called the Russian Tail in voting, after so many votes a certain amount went to Trump similar to Putin's votes. Again I haven't looked into this but that is some of what was noticed beyond the direct lawsuits as well.

As far as I know even if he cheated it doesn't matter at this point cause he was certified anyways. And if people aren't pissed off about what the US has become to change anything I don't think it makes a difference if Trump just came out and admitted it. I'd be curious just to know but I'm also still curious what happened to my motorbike toy from when I was 8 so it's not an exclusive list.

[–] Mika@piefed.ca 20 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

Idk about the elections, but as a Ukrainian I've seen the stark difference in about a half a year since he bought twitter.

He manually switched off visibility for NAFO. Like as if they became shadowbanned, invisible to the "for you" feed.

He made it so big Ukrainian accounts are mostly visible to Ukrainians only. This was enough not to make them leave the platform but silenced their voices to the outside world.

It's quite obvious we were just the testing grounds, USA elections were the real deal.

[–] pelespirit@sh.itjust.works 5 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

That's happening everywhere, including here on Lemmy. Your instance controls what's seen on the all page, so the larger instances control what the larger audiences see.

[–] Mika@piefed.ca 2 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

Is it really a thing? I don't mean defederation, do threadiverse instances use custom algorithms to provide content to users custom-tailored to them?

[–] towerful@programming.dev 2 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

I know that programming.dev doesn't defederate from problematic instances, but their problematic communities don't show up in the all feed (so you have to specifically search for & subscribe to them).
At least, I believe that's how it works.

[–] Mika@piefed.ca 1 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

Algorithm isn't that. It's not just a block.

I don't think anyone here did create anything like that that isn't some simple formula that accounts for number of likes, date & number of comments, converts that to a single number and sort by that. Plus, there is a way to sort differently in many ways.

Algorithm will not completely prevent you from being in the feed. But your visibility drops thousandfold. Posts that previously would get thousands of likes get 20 views.

Same way they create popular political figures and newsfeeds out of nowhere. Just ramp visibility in the algorithm to the target groups.

Algorithm is a blackbox that is unpredictable to the end user by design. The idea is that algorithm learns what you like to read, what are you interacting with, so it feeds you the content to keep you engaged to the max. The parameters by which you see some post but not the other are not decided by some clear sorting rule. Each user would have lots of hidden values which impact the sort order.

While being generally useful (despite the hate, people love to be engaged with content they like to see), people also don't notice that they are being fed/denied some content because they are used to their feed being a black box.

[–] towerful@programming.dev 1 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

They aren't blocked. Users can still subscribe to them.
They don't show up in the All feed.

Sounds like an modified algorithm to me

[–] Mika@piefed.ca 1 points 44 minutes ago

You can sub to see. With algorithm, you'll see unsubbed content above subbed.

[–] ileftreddit@piefed.social 10 points 13 hours ago (1 children)
[–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 3 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

We should just eliminate ballot boxes and handle everything with paper ballots. Mail them in, drop them off, or fill it out at the ballot box.

[–] ileftreddit@piefed.social 3 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

1000% agree, paper ballots only, no more electronic tallying.

If we do electronic voting, it needs to be FOSS and cryptographically signed. And even then I don't think I want it.

[–] ileftreddit@piefed.social 7 points 13 hours ago (2 children)

There are several lawsuits that allege massive discrepancies in down ballot races in counties all over the USA

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[–] ZoopZeZoop@lemmy.world 9 points 15 hours ago (2 children)

Well, you have the basics like voter suppression in just about every way (e.g., gerrymandering, shutting down polling places, not enough voting machines, laws against helping people waiting in lines, preventing ex-cons from voting, etc.), actively intimidating voters at the polls, active misinformation (e.g., automated messages telling people the wrong dates for the election), etc.

Now, we know about one attempt to mess with the voting that was caught. They're looking to overturn those peoples' convictions.

I'm sure there is more that I'm leaving out. Now, that may not be what you were talking about, but that's rigged in my opinion. Also, the electoral college, the voting system (NPV or RCV would be better).

[–] Cethin@lemmy.zip 3 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

Gerrymandering doesn't effect the presidential election (except for maybe suppressing turnout of people who may feel like they don't matter). I've seen far too many people who think it does.

[–] ZoopZeZoop@lemmy.world 1 points 9 hours ago

Sure. That's fair. It does impact the primary and everything else on the presidential election ticket, though, which are still very important to the situation we're in now. Congress is allowing everything Trump wants, basically, which could have been prevented if not for gerrymandering (for long periods of time).

[–] fox2263@lemmy.world 3 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

Yeah it was lots of little things not just one thing.

Lots of things that they spent 4 years thinking up to do, and also how to keep hold.

[–] ZoopZeZoop@lemmy.world 1 points 14 hours ago

A lot of them have been decades in the making. Horrible.

[–] MiddleAgesModem@lemmy.world 0 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago)

I don’t mean to come off as a conservative cunt, but what evidence is there that 2024 was rigged?

You sound like a normal, sane person. Not a cunt. There is nothing more embarrassing than seeing massive dumbasses on my side do EXACTLY THE SAME THING they did in 2020. It's just fucking pathetic.

[–] Sanctus@lemmy.world 4 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

It was all the little incidents of his supporters burning ballot boxes, voting in the name's of others for Trump, and threatening people at booths. This happened all across the nation. One specific example I can think of is a man in Arizona burned a mail in ballot box in the middle of a dense city that leaned blue. Institutions dont have to take action for elections to be rigged, elections can be rigged through inaction and suggestion just the same.

[–] ileftreddit@piefed.social 1 points 13 hours ago (1 children)
[–] Sanctus@lemmy.world 4 points 13 hours ago

Add it to the pile. I wasn't mentioning the machine tampering because it isnt proven. Below is what I am talking about:

https://azmirror.com/briefs/man-arrested-for-phoenix-mailbox-fire-that-damaged-early-ballots/

[–] zarkanian@sh.itjust.works 1 points 14 hours ago

Racism and sexism? Not Gaza?

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[–] zarkanian@sh.itjust.works 5 points 14 hours ago (3 children)

A presidential candidate who never won a primary; who was the VP of an unpopular president (and did not distance herself from him); who supported and refused to denounce an unpopular, genocidal war...

Yeah, you're right. There's no way she could've lost. It must've been rigged!

Exactly! When asked what she would've done differently vs Biden, she said "nothing." That doesn't really motivate people to get out and vote for her.

[–] amorangi@lemmy.nz 9 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

At least she didn't want to build a resort in her name on the land that the genocided people previously occupied. But that's ignored, right?

[–] zarkanian@sh.itjust.works 6 points 12 hours ago

AFAIK, Trump never said anything about that during his campaign. It's irrelevant, anyway, because Democrats didn't switch to Trump. They just didn't vote.

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[–] calliope@retrolemmy.com 71 points 19 hours ago (2 children)

Do yourself a favor and don’t click through.

X is worse than YouTube comments were a decade ago. Just a total cesspool.

[–] CubitOom@infosec.pub 36 points 18 hours ago

Its a nazi site

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[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 22 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

Surprised more nominees don't come out swinging. "The election of 2020 had sever irregularities consistent with the high rate of mail in voting and we all know Hillary Clinton killed Vince Foster so what won't these people do to undermine democracy? Follow the clues! WWG1WGA!!"

[–] ileftreddit@piefed.social 3 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

“CHARLIE KIRK IS LITERALLY JESUS CHRIST”

Shouldn't he have come back to life by now?

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