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[-] hesusingthespiritbomb@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago

I cannot think of a car company I'd trust less to do this than Hyundai/Kia.

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[-] MonkderZweite@feddit.ch 11 points 1 year ago

So in short, this adds suspension directly to the wheel, at the cost of higher maintenance? That's it?

[-] Haywire@lemm.ee 6 points 1 year ago

It's pretty smart. It is like a wheel-motor but without all the unsprung weight.

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[-] time_fo_that@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago

Article made it sound like only front wheel drive exists now and that only front wheel drive cars use CV joints lol.

[-] beerclue@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

This is pretty cool!

But, in the video there is a quick flash of text that went away after 1s, 120km/h max speed?

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[-] KpntAutismus@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

so the pretty much only upside compared to hub motors is less weight in the wheels, and comared to conventional drivetrain layouts there's added complexity and slight extra interior space? i mean innovation is key, but i don't quite see the upsides as much as the hyundai engineers.

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[-] ZMonster@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

From a mechanical standpoint, the new bearing saves a nearly negligible amount of space. Splitting the motor up and moving it to the notoriously wasted wheel well space is what clears up the center of the frame. Still very cool. It's basically a single output differential, which is already quite compact. No need to split the rotation for turning since the wheels rotation will no longer be mechanically linked.

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[-] dog_@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

Honestly I don't care at this point, I won't buy anything from Hyundai.

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[-] JustZ@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

I was just learning about CVJ gearing the other day and was thinking cars should use it instead of fixed gear ratios. Very cool.

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[-] dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

Setting aside all of the already observed questions in the comments already about mechanical viability, i.e. how this assemblage is supposed to steer. The elephant in the room is whether or not this is equivalently economical to produce compared to an axle with a CV joint in it, and/or if it will acceptably reliable for roadgoing vehicle use, what with having a shitload more moving parts in there.

The animation shows the geartrain assembly in an open faced housing, which if that's how it's ultimately designed is going to mean that there is now no way to keep the gears in a bath of oil or transmission fluid like is presently done in traditional transmissions and differentials. And yes, even in CV joints which are packed with grease inside their rubber sealing boots. I'll let you in on a big automotive industry secret: There's a reason current transmissions and other geartrain devices are kept suspended in oil all the time. A big one. One that has to do with your transmission not glowing red hot by the time you make it to your destination, or converting itself into glitter within the first mile.

Even setting aside lubrication concerns -- Maybe the thing is chock-a-block full of sealed ballraces or something, for all I know -- the big open slot they depict for the axle to move up and down in is just begging for a stone, a stick, a stray bolt, or any other show-stopping piece of debris from getting in there and causing you to have a very expensive day. Ditto with the gap around the edge of the sun gear, which is going to need a bitchin' huge mechanical seal on it at the minimum. If the solution is perhaps to put some kind of rubber boot over the opening that moves with the axle, it's going to have to be ridiculously flexible and remain so even throughout all kinds of temperatures and operating environments. Cars, you know, being devices quite infamous for being operated outdoors in the weather and all.

I mean, I can't imagine Hyundai's engineers haven't thought of this. But I wonder if this is one of those works-in-the-lab-and-test-track things, and they're expecting someone else to figure out the viability challenges.

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[-] Thorny_Insight@lemm.ee 5 points 1 year ago

I don't get what this does or what's the benefit. There's still a cv-joint there. Otherwise the wheels can't turn

[-] Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

It replaces the cv joint. Watch the video.

[-] Thorny_Insight@lemm.ee 7 points 1 year ago
[-] Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

The video shows how their gears go up down and side to side to perform the function of a cv joint. So whatever that cv looking thing is, it's not a cv joint.

[-] Thorny_Insight@lemm.ee 6 points 1 year ago

If it was just a solid axle going from the motor to the uniwheel you couldn't steer the car. It doesn't allow for such movement.

[-] froop@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

Looks like it eliminates the engine-side cvd but not the wheel-side.

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[-] Deceptichum@kbin.social 4 points 1 year ago

I know Hyundai is Korean and all, but this presentation style where the host pretends to be demonstrating a product "uh, wait a second . . . what if we" and is speaking almost like it's a personal conversation between the two of you is giving me huge Nintendo Direct vibes when they demonstrate unreleased games and play them for you.

Is this a common sort of business/sales presentation method in SEA?

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