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Dutch parliament adopts motion to classify Antifa as a terrorist organization (bnonews.com)
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[–] A_norny_mousse@feddit.org 47 points 1 day ago (1 children)

To clarify: the Dutch government will now discuss this issue and decide if they want to move forward with it. If they do, there will be a legal process to decide if the original request is feasible. Something similar happened in 2016 and the result was that they are not terrorist in nature.

https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Fascistische_Aktie

A report from the National Coordinator for the fight against Terrorism and Security (NCTV) from March 2016 stated that AFA counter -demonstrations against Pegida could be accompanied by violence, but that there are no indications for left -wing radical terrorism.

I would prefer if people would not immediately claim that we are just as fucked as the USA or that our judicial system is just as broken. Sure, it doesn't look good, but it's very much a matter of degrees.

[–] Hector@lemmy.world -1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

Copying the us in designating those standing up to their paramilitaries being nurtured to target critics and opponents, as terrorists is more than a bad look fuck your degrees.

Apparently the netherlands is ruled by fascist tools of more powerful nations. The netherlands can get fucked.

[–] ChairmanMeow@programming.dev 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The point is that they haven't done so yet. This is just a motion to tell the responsible minister to explore whether or not it can or should be done. They don't have the power to simply instate such designations.

[–] Hector@lemmy.world -3 points 1 day ago

The very fact that they are asking that, in appearance Alliance or should we say subservience to the American fascists trying to quash opposition to their Brown Shirts they want to extra judicially Target opponents and critics with is more then a little worrisome no?

[–] 4am@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Five day old account with multiple contrary and inflammatory bad takes across several threads.

Found the fed.

[–] Hector@lemmy.world -4 points 1 day ago

In my experience still said accuse others of things without evidence are themselves guilty of it.

Such a dumbass lazy way to disagree with someone too. Not addressing the actual points, just lobbing emotional attacks that do not fit.

[–] jojo@piefed.social 49 points 1 day ago

it should read "In another desperate move by the Dutch fascist party, they try to make it illegal to be ANTIFAscist"

[–] segabased@lemmy.zip 11 points 1 day ago

Europe needs to expel it's fascists

[–] RageAgainstTheRich@lemmy.world 70 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Wilders is a racist, fascist cunt that loves hanging out and sucking up to other fascists in other countries.

[–] hanrahan@slrpnk.net 17 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Wilders is a racist, fascist cunt that loves hanging out and sucking up to other fascists in other countries.

And recievied a large portion of Dutch votes last election, assuming the trajectory continues, he'll win even more next time. :(

[–] amzd@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

They are polling at 14 seats vs their current 24. There is some reason for optimism. https://nltimes.nl/2025/09/18/vvd-drops-polls-now-equal-d66-ja21

[–] DonAntonioMagino@feddit.nl 12 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Wilders’ party is the PVV. A recent poll puts him at 32 seats, a tiny loss compared to 2023 (37, so about -5).

The VVD is an old conservative liberal party that has been the senior coalition partner since 2010. Though Wilders was from among their ranks, and they have been pulled to the right a lot by him - especially recently under Yeşilgöz.

[–] amzd@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

Ah you are correct.

[–] frunch@lemmy.world 71 points 2 days ago (1 children)

From the article:

Antifa, short for “anti-fascist,” is generally described by experts as a loose, decentralized movement rather than a structured organization, raising questions about how such a designation would be applied in practice.

[–] hanrahan@slrpnk.net 61 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

raising questions about how such a designation would be applied in practice.

By allowing the government to declare you are antifa, thus a terrorist.

The whole reason for the fuzzy definition is a design, not a flaw. Russia does the same thing.

[–] ComfortableRaspberry@feddit.org 13 points 1 day ago

Yes, exactly! Looking at the USA it hasn't been in dubio pro reo for a while now. You'll end up having to proof you are not a member and you won't be able to.

[–] Hector@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

Sounds like something antifa would say. /s

[–] thericofactor@sh.itjust.works 36 points 2 days ago (2 children)

With the motion now adopted, the Dutch government must formally respond and decide whether to implement the request.

And they won't.

Wilders is a right wing nut job whose popularity is decreasing rapidly. His party was now elected twice into the government and in both cases they blew up the coalition, causing new elections.

The sentiment regarding his party is now that they are unable to govern and just cause chaos. This is becoming clear even among his followers.

Before the elections they promise the impossible. When they are in the opposition it's easy to maintain that the ruling parties are messing stuff up, but now that they were actually part of the government they have shown twice now that they are unable to deliver any of their fantasy solutions and that they can't govern.

[–] A_norny_mousse@feddit.org 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Thanks for the insight; we currently have a very similar situation in Finland. The current government including far-right populists, conservatives and neoliberals is just fucked up both in discussions and actions, both internally and externally so to speak.

In the last decade or so people often said "just let them govern once to show the people how bad they are at it". I always thought it's a playing with fire scenario, but so far it seems to work out.

[–] Hector@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

Bad time to try it out, the us and russia are helping them behind the scenes now, stuff you would not even think of, like what other polits are doing and saying.

It is playing with fire, they are trying to fix their hack allies in place, like hungary. It can happen there.

[–] DonAntonioMagino@feddit.nl 3 points 1 day ago

I’d like it to be true that his followers have lost faith in him, but it doesn’t seem like it to me. Of recent polls, only Maurice de Hond puts the PVV at a significant loss.

Wilders has been trying to frame all issues with his cabinet as having been the result of unwillingness by the other coalition parties in following through with his (clearly illegal and unconstitutional) demands, especially NSC. It remains to be seen if he was successful - there’s still quite some time to go till late October - but at the moment it seems like he has. If you go to public forums with lots of PVVers, you hear them repeat this talking point quite fervently.

I’m also not confident that the new VVD-supported cordon sanitaire will actually hold after the elections, though at least the VVD is looking to lose quite a bit of their seats. This motion was supported by the so-called ‘liberal’ VVD themselves, anyway.

[–] frustrated_phagocytosis@fedia.io 47 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Ewww, it's spreading like a disease

[–] dumnezero@piefed.social 7 points 1 day ago

McFascism

[–] Cethin@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 day ago

Everyone keeps trying to divide us by nation, saying some people aren't doing enough or whatever, when this has been a global issue for at least a decade at this point. This isn't about nation. We need to work together to fight against the rise in fascism everywhere, and it's happening in at least every western nation.

[–] Doomsider@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago

Anytime someone brings up Antifa you should always play dumb and ask them what it stands for. You need to lead them on a journey that concludes in Antifa meaning anti fascist.

I would even pull out my phone and act like I am genuinely curious and learning with them,

"Oh it means anti-fascist, the people who are against the Nazis like my great grandfather that fought in WWII. Why would anyone go after him for doing his duty?"

And just deadpan them.

[–] 30p87@feddit.org 25 points 1 day ago

So by definition, they're now Antiantifa, so just Fa(scists).

[–] monogram@feddit.nl 24 points 1 day ago (2 children)

This is why I love Dutch politics, our Trump only has 1/4 of the vote and thus must play with others.

This is Wilders begging to be in the news again to win back voters, thanks media you’ve catered to the fascist, again.

[–] DonAntonioMagino@feddit.nl 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

While Wilders is unlikely to ever become Prime Minister, he has already succeeded in pulling the whole political landscape to the right. Indeed without much opposition of the media, that tend to have an academical appreciation of what Wilders is doing to ‘hack’ them (so to speak), but without it leading to any (effective) countermeasures.

Wilders is just following in the footsteps of Goebbels.

[–] monogram@feddit.nl 2 points 1 day ago

“Links praten Recht regering” is what I call the way Wilders operates.

[–] Hector@lemmy.world -2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Well since over half just voted to recognize the only people that have stood up to paramilitary tools of the regime to extrajudicially target opponents and critics, as the terrorists, we know it is over 50 percent fascists in the netherlands house.

[–] monogram@feddit.nl 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Lots of voters don’t look close enough at the party they vote for, or boycott for one specific opinion (nobody would be able to vote if all of their values had to be reflected on a party)

On top of that you have a large group of lower/middle income people with little connection to identity pol or disabilities, they see well off voting: green-left, buying EVs & solar panels, and companies replacing workers for work-immigrants. These people enjoy the local Döner or Surinamese takeout and have been sold on socialist promises Widers keeps spouting.

The largest left party (pvda) with good connections to unions merged with the green party (gl) is in my option a tragedy. I honestly thought that the last election would make SP a huge party.

Thankfully in NL there is no, one left or one right party, and occasionally laws are passed with a split that has nothing to do with left or right.

[–] monogram@feddit.nl 1 points 1 day ago

The worst is that most voters don’t vote based on what a party has previously enacted/voted-for, but rather the current talking points they advertise.

[–] Voroxpete@sh.itjust.works 41 points 2 days ago

An insult to the memory of every Canadian who died fighting to free their country from fascist occupation.

[–] snoons@lemmy.ca 30 points 2 days ago

I'll take "Things fascist do when elected to government" for six-hundred please, Alex.

[–] CosmoNova@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago

Fascists make move to criminalize free thinking. Good luck you hateful motherfuckers.

[–] talkingpumpkin@lemmy.world 6 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Does the parliament decide who's a terrorist and who's not? I mean... shouldn't it be up to the judges and based on factual evidence? (asking because sincerely curious)

[–] Skua@kbin.earth 5 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I don't know how Dutch law works, but this sounds like the proscribed organisations in the UK. If it is like the UK then the courts decide who has committed acts of terrorism but the government can also proscribe a group to say that just joining it is a crime. For a sensible example, the neonazi organisation Atomwaffen Division is on the list

[–] Hector@lemmy.world 0 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

For a nonsensical definition palestine action was declared terrorist by politicians in the uk, backed by the courts or whatever, and they now randomly accuse anyone protesting israel's final solution for gaza of terrorism.

Pal. Action was against the final solution, you are against the final solution, therefore you are pal action.

Just openly dishonest logic applied by hack polits that never should have been given the power to proscribe groups. Labour needs all new leadership, starmer is a conservative cunt as are ALL of his appointees.

[–] untorquer@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago (1 children)

With the motion now adopted, the Dutch government must formally respond and decide whether to implement the request.

Is this a formality or is the adoption more of a "pwease listen to mwee" type of action?

[–] Bashnagdul@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The motion is adopted. Meaning the request is allowed to be discussed.

[–] untorquer@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

So it's in the debate/statements phase but not yet voted on.

Cheers!

[–] pet1t@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

Well, guess I can't go to the Netherlands because of a sticker on my laptop now