And that's the story of why I switched to Arch <3
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this post was submitted on 21 Sep 2025
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I'm not afraid of Ubuntu, I'm afraid of the need to use the the Ubuntu forums when I have an issue.
I use arch wiki btw.
I recently switched to Eos and the arch wiki came in clutch many times (donβt try to an arch based system on a Mac without reading a ton of documentation, I learned that the hard way).
Only Ubuntu Iβve seen rtfm more than actually helpful commands
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Intolerable, scammy OS. Everything good in Ubuntu these days can be traced back to other projects, such as debian/Gnome/KDE. Whatever Canonical adds to that is just an attempt to lock you in their ecosystem or wring money out of you.
Just use debian instead.
Or mint, if you're a newbie
Honestly, i don't like debian and it's derivatives because they focus on stability, and that means packages in the repos get outdated really quick. I'd love a distro that combines a debian base and the rolling release model of arch.
It's called Debian Testing.
Debian testing is not rolling. Sid/unstable is.
What about debian SID?
That's testing my patience.
I know itβs not exactly what youβre asking for but fedora is reaaaally nice. I donβt think Iβve had a single βunstableβ package and itβs kept up to date really well. The only concern I have with it is red hat, Iβm just hoping they donβt decide to enshittify
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Proxmox nagging subscription message on login be like
Proxmox devs are so close to making it a nice experience for homelabbers but they just leave a fresh install mangled so badly you need a helper script to give you sane settings. Not to mention if you make an Ubuntu vm with default settings it wonβt boot. Plus the Linux user elitism on the forums. I want to like it more so much
Preach, in using proxmox myself but they still haven't fixed bug when you install it from ventoy it tries to boot system from ventoy when system already installed on main drive, resulting in kernel panic, this bug still persists since 8.* Versions, and i have to fix it manually every time i install proxmox on another second hand pc/laptop for my homelab, for people who think it's ventoy issue i write that i didn't have this bug with any other distro, not even with god forsaken manjaro didn't had this bug when i tried it three years ago
If you're using proxmox in a production environment and making money it doesn't cost much at all compared to VMware. I see it as helping fund production of software that right now still seems very solid
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Is it really like that or is this a joke
Last I used Ubuntu you do indeed get an ad every time you apt upgrade You can still go into some config file and remove it though
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I'm an ubuntu user and it was like that for a brief period but then they removed it after an uproar. I think. I double check it once I'm at my laptop
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Pretty sure my work laptop tells me every time that I'm not getting some security upgrades, because I'm not using Ubuntu Pro.
I believe, there's some semi-reasonable justification, that they're only holding back upgrades for packages which they wouldn't normally maintain anymore, but yeah, it still looks horrendous from an end-user perspective.
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Ubuntu Pro is free for up to 5 machines.
And if that's not enough, you can just make a second account to get another 5.
And if the whole concept of getting extra security updates for packages that are out of support really bothers you, you can dummy out /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/20apt-esm-hook.conf
I'm not opposed to Canonical's monetisation model. I think charging for extra updates and packages is fine as a way to make money. But I can understand why people don't want advertising in their operating system, though I personally think that a simple line of text showing up on my terminal following a flood of package-fetching and script-running results is tolerable.
Canonical makes plenty of money through corporate partnerships without needing to muddy the basic user experience.
Ubuntu Pro is free for up to 5 machines.
Ubuntu pro Costs handing over your Data to a company.
And if the whole concept of getting extra security updates for unsupported packages really bothers you
And if it Bothers you that a company actually supports the packages it is making availible...
No, Ubuntu pro brings faster Security updates, even for still supported apps.
Ubuntu pro Costs handing over your Data to a company
An email address. That's literally all they ask for. And they accept disposable emails. You don't have to hand over anything.
Oh wow, I didn't know that. Thank you for clarifying.
However I have to say I'm not necessarily against self promotion as companies and organisations have to sustain themselves but advertising your service every time the user updates or upgrades is way too much compared to KDE's once-a-year donation request for example (that can be easily disabled).
On another note I have experienced BTRFS and have seen the light, never returning to ext4 ππ
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... and live kernel security patches, removing the need to reboot out of schedule.
I've paid $$$ for that in commercial settings. Getting it for free is actually crazy.
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I don't recall ever seeing such an ad in Ubuntu. Totally possible I wasn't paying attention or I saw it and forgot.
It's for LTS releases only. So you rarely see it on desktop, but for sure will see it on servers. My previous job, I ran LTS on my work laptop and would laugh at everyone always getting a forced update right before scrum. This new job, I have to use WSL on this Windows laptop and guess what, I'm in forced update hell. I can understand that for some(or most) the pro message would be annoying, but I'd rather see that pro message 100 times a day then get a forced update at random times. Especially right before meetings.
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LIN π
NUX π
MINT π
I've seen plenty of Debian mentions, and no pushback there whatsoever from me.
But if you find yourself frustrated that you can't just have Ubuntu without Canonical's snaps and ads and other ickiness, Mint is exactly that. Or maybe better, I dunno. It's super polished and full featured and stable.
And even better in this era of Windows 10 support ending, the main/default version (Linux Mint Cinnamon) looks like Windows out of the box but it installs, works, and updates at like 10x the speed. (The 10x is an exaggeration for moment to moment desktop work and latency, but for the install and especially for updates I think it's accurate)
Man, this tiktokification just needs to die.
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The thing about Ubuntu that kills me (as a user of it) is the other users who comment on reddit/r/Ubuntu.
They are so confidentally incorrect about so much shit.
Talk about removing snaps?
"Core gnome functionality on Ubuntu requires snaps"
That's not even remotely true. Snaps download Gnome* runtime libraries for it, just like Flatpaks do to run the snaps.
Just an example but still. I see so much crap like this.
Yeah, it's the Cognitive Bias fallacy. Reminds me of all the anti Linux users who continue using the "Linux wont be ready for the average user, because no average user wants to write a compiler from scratch just so they can compile their programs". If you don't like something, you don't like it. No problem, no reason to whine and cry about it. You like a different distro, great, go use it. That's how distro's work. Everything eventually helps everybody and you just pick a distro that gets you close to what you want. I started with Slackware 3.4, to me everything is great.
A friend of mine is a computer illiterate. His laptop doesnβt support Win11 because of the missing secure boot.
I installed Linux mint and showed him firefox, but he preferred chrome, so I got him Brave. Steam was downloaded, the update center was self explanatory.
He loves the speed.
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This is why I switched back to Debian Stable on my servers, canβt deal with this shit.
Also the fact that if youβre not up to date on updates, you can go fuck yourself as far as Ubuntu is considered. Debian will let you upgrade from any version without complaints
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I am literally running Ubuntu right now and I don't get this comic. I have never been asked to subscribe to Ubuntu Pro, if I have it was noninvasive that I didn't notice.
It's only LTS. Desktop users rarely use LTS. Great to have live kernel updates on a developer workstation and servers though.
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That's why I switched to Ubuntu. It gives me the safe corporate vibes while using Linux.
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Aside from install and the first welcome screen I donβt recall seeing anything.
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