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[–] the_radness@lemmy.world 2 points 10 hours ago (1 children)
[–] negativenull@lemmy.world 2 points 10 hours ago

Hmmmm, replicated snapper!

[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 10 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

I wish I could crawl into the universe from my TV just so I could try real and replicated foods side by side to see if I even could tell the difference.

It's a maddening argument. Replicated food is the very same molecular arrangement as the "real" food. I would assume any objection to taste comes from the recipes on file, which you could change barring certain restrictions (like im sure you couldn't change the hasperat recipe to instead be explosives).

[–] negativenull@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Vreenak in DS9 claimed to be able to tell the difference between real Romulan Ale and Replicated, claiming the replicated was really good, but not perfect.

It could be he was attempting to show off, but maybe he really could.

[–] Cort@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I always assumed replicator food was identical every time because the ship's "recipe book" is just a giant pattern buffer. It's always the same so it's easy to tell the difference from home made since there's always a little variability. You can't copy a person in the pattern buffer since that's illegal cloning, but copying anything from a coffee to a car is totally fine as long as your pattern buffer and replicator is large enough.

[–] data1701d@startrek.website 3 points 11 hours ago

Also, at least according to the TNG Tech Manual, replicators work at the molecular level, while transporters work at the quantum level. Sentient beings generally need quantum precision to be transported or replicated.

[–] ummthatguy@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago

(like im sure you couldn't change the hasperat recipe to instead be explosives).

But I like my hasperat spicy.

[–] teft@piefed.social 21 points 1 day ago (5 children)

Let's talk about classism in Star Trek. How come Sisko gets his own cooking station so he can make real meals and the lower deckers don't even get a replicator with every recipe? Sisko is cooking bouillabaisse with fresh fish and Tendi can't even get pesto. Just straight up unfair bullshit.

[–] dohpaz42@lemmy.world 14 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Counter argument: what if anybody could get their own cooking station, and all they had to do was requisition for it. And, maybe there are other low-profile officers who do have them, but we’ve never seen them because they weren’t the main characters? Or, no one else really cares enough about making home cooked meals, so they stick with replicators.

~BoTh sIDeS /s~

[–] webghost0101@sopuli.xyz 10 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Its almost certainly something like this, i bet its actually all coming from replicator allowance.

In voyager, Harry Kim mentioned saving up replicator rations to replicate a clarinet. I assume the same can be done for any hobby.

Nothing would stop anyone from slowly replicating an entire kitchen (except maybe physical space constraints), then replicating basic ingredients to cook everything else, possibly even saving rations that would go to complex dishes in the long term.

[–] marcos@lemmy.world 13 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Voyager gives the impression that although replicator usage is limited, almost nobody comes even close to reach the limits in normal times and nobody needs to ever "save allowance".

[–] dohpaz42@lemmy.world 12 points 1 day ago

That would make sense given most Starfleet ships are within a reasonable distance from maintenance outposts and known (and vetted) trading partners where restocking and fixing things is just another Tuesday.

[–] Thebeardedsinglemalt@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago* (last edited 12 hours ago) (1 children)

That could make sense, if a ship is on missions 3 weeks away from a resupply it'd make sense if there's a replicator limit for individuals. Like they have allotments for full meals each day and maybe books or personal items, but they still need to keep par values if matter in reserves. If you respond to a distress call, it'd be difficult to explain that you can't replicate repair parts for the disabled vessel because Mark replicated instruments for an orchestra he wants to put together and Karen redecorated her quarters for the 13th time this month.

[–] Infynis@midwest.social 1 points 21 hours ago

It also follows that, under these constraints, the captain, likely the role on the ship with the least turn over, would have the most customized shit. When the ship is in drydock, some lower deckers get transferred to other stations, and new ones come aboard, but the captain is pretty much always just hanging out. Makes sense they'd use that time for hobbies, and that they'd want that stuff in their quarters, which are, for the captain moreso than any other crew member, their home

[–] teft@piefed.social 10 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

If that's the case I bet Miles runs a perishables storage business on the side. Pop some fresh beef into the transporter buffer and at the end of a five year mission it tastes like it was dry-aged 90 days.

[–] Infynis@midwest.social 2 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

Does transported beef taste like it's been replicated?

[–] teft@piefed.social 1 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

Does a transported person?

[–] ChicoSuave@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Miles probably cooks a proper corned beef and potatoes when the occasion calls for it.

[–] teft@piefed.social 3 points 1 day ago

when the occasion calls for it.

Sundays?

[–] Thebeardedsinglemalt@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

There might be a Captain's privilege with that, especially since Captains quarters are often larger than crewman's. But it could also just be a personal preference. Sisko was raised in a restaurant and takes pride in his cooking. He also got miffed at Kassidy because she burned some of his peppers he said he spent months trying to grow. So obviously there are space limitations on being able to cultivate real food. Miles and Keiko sit down to home cooked meals as well, and there was a bit in S2 of TNG where Riker, Polaski, Worf and I think someone else make scrambled eggs in their quarters on a griddle.

I'm pretty fussy with the food that I like, and sometimes there are times when I choose to cook certain meals myself, rather than have a friend or partner do it. It's not that what they'd make would be bad, but it certainly wouldn't be the same.

I imagine it's similar to my current relationship to programming software. I'm a more proficient programmer than the vast majority of people (a fact that is easy to forget when hanging out in techy spaces online), but I rarely code my own software. I mostly use open-source stuff nowadays, so I occasionally tinker to make changes, or add minor features, but most software I regularly use is far too large and complex for me to make much sense of. I imagine that programming in new replicator recipes would require a high level of food chemistry and technical expertise.

This grinds my gears too.

Why does Pike have open flames and a cocktail lounge while Uhura sleeps in a ~~spacecoffin~~ bunk.

Maybe it’s only the plebs; doesn’t La’an have a stufio apartment for her quarters?

[–] svcg@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 1 day ago

You would probably expect semi-permanent deep space stations to have larger living quarters than ships in general, and since DS9 was a Cardassian station, you can probably expect that they'd make the captain's quarters extra large.

[–] negativenull@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago

Pike gets an actual fireplace in his quarters too.

[–] samus12345@sh.itjust.works 11 points 1 day ago (2 children)

They always make up some excuse, like replicated food tastes different, even though it's capable of reproducing things at the molecular level and there would literally be no difference.

[–] Infynis@midwest.social 2 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago)

It's an AI food generator. All of its food is just a little bit bland, because it's the average of everything. They aren't storing entire patterns for a tomato for example, so they have to be recreated each time, and the replicator prints a homogenized food-shaped item, with all the same components, but none of the random environmental conditions and uncultivated genetic traits that lead to a flavorful fruit. Then that compounds further when you get into processed foods, or whole prepared meals. There's artistry there, that a computer can't match.

Maybe, to mitigate this, there are some recipes where they do save an exact pattern of real food a chef made, so the replicator can make a few things that are particularly good. The Lower Deckers do make a big deal of the mac and cheese with the breaded top.

You see it in the way they treat the holodeck too. When it's new, they have some fun with the computer generated scenarios, but all the best programs are the ones that they get from outside the ship, or that are made by a member of the crew. And they're a sought after commodity. Data is still trying to figure out art. The Doctor seems to have managed it, but the Federation is slow to acknowledge him. Maybe the answer is replacing replicated meals with food prepared by holographic chefs, using replicated ingredients with higher fidelity patterns, that you have room for, because you're no longer storing complex dishes

[–] Thebeardedsinglemalt@lemmy.world 11 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (3 children)

The best headcanon I have for replicated food is, especially on federation starships, you're getting an approximation of the taste which has been balanced with healthy nutrition requirements. Which is why Deanna had asked for a chocolate sundae with real chocolate. So the idea is that you could having nothing but chocolate sundaes for a week straight but you're eating the daily recommended amount of protein, fiber, carbs, sodium, healthy fats, etc. it takes like ice cream, but not hand churned with high fat cream, sugar, real vanilla beans, etc.

[–] teft@piefed.social 8 points 1 day ago

not hand churned with high fat cream, sugar, real vanilla beans

Something that I find very cool about our present day food science is that even though we know so much, there's still an incredible amount we don't understand.

Soy sauce is a good example — brewing of it using traditional methods involves fermenting in large barrels over the course of many months. There aren't many places that still make it that way nowadays — most use chemical hydrolysation to cut the process down to a few days. The taste of the traditionally made stuff is much better, but it's expensive enough that I can't justify buying it. I am glad I bought a bottle and got to try it, but in most cooking contexts, it's not really worth using because the nuances of its flavour will be lost or overpowered in the process. I used it sparingly, and I relished it in those contexts, but I also needed to make sure I wasn't too reticent in using it, lest I lose it to time. Since finishing the one bottle I had, I haven't bought another one (though I've been tempted).

I like your speculation about nutrition, but I find the idea of replicated food being nutritionally complete to be too implausible to believe. After all, sci-fi works best when it builds on top of established science, and the taste of food is so intrinsically linked to its chemistry that I can't imagine replicated food being able to even approximate the taste of things without being faithful to the underlying chemistry. I agree that the taste is likely only an approximation, but I imagine that for most people, this is good enough — just like most people would find a £30 bottle of soy sauce absurd.

In the 2300s, we have Joseph Sisko; today, we have Yasuo Yamamoto. The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, eh?

[–] samus12345@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I guess if the replicator forces the components of the food to have certain nutritional requirements that makes sense, but it's also kind of fucked up if it changes the taste so much from what you actually want that you can tell the difference.

[–] Thebeardedsinglemalt@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

You can tell the difference between regular candy and sugar free candy, between regular white bread and keto bread or gluten free bread. Or regular pretzels and gluten free free pretzels. Yet they're close approximations with different health traits, some of which people tolerate better than others

[–] samus12345@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 day ago

But they're also made with completely different materials. A replicator SHOULD be able to make anything that tastes like anything since it's working at the molecular level.

[–] svcg@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 1 day ago

I would listen to Joseph Sisko complain about replicated food all day, though. He had such a wonderful voice!