I'd love to know just how Hate Dept saw this playing out. Like they're too popular to get dropped? π€¦π»
What a ridiculous self-own.
this post was submitted on 25 Sep 2025
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My guess is that Steve was figuring the organizers would just grit their teeth and put up with it. Which they very well could have. But didn't. Which is why I pointed it out.
Why would they even want to play to an audience of people they don't want as fans etc boggles the mind. Perhaps trying to reclaim their relevance from before their own actions blew it up. But without changing those actions that would never work.
Thankfully some groups do and have made that effort. Joe Letz has been kicked out of more bands than most people have probably ever been in. And, thankfully, I heard that he was more than expelled not long ago from a band that I used to really like. So I can go back to listening to them without fear of supporting him in any way.
Not really that surprising of Seibold and I'm sure he doesn't give a shit about being dropped. It's Hate Dept after all.
Yeah, he is not an unknown quantity. And yes, beyond playing the victim, I don't think they worry too much. There was a whole lot of meh when he was announced on the lineup. Being in New York, I'm sure there's a lot of acts they could dig up in their backyard that people would be more excited to see honestly. FGFC820, Light Asylum, etc etc etc.
American* coldwave bands have never been hugely popular across the scene. Despite their talents they don't fit well with the sensitive people. Mostly just the angry ones.
Still, 16 volt will be there so there will still be some representation.
Perhaps, I can't really say. Honestly, a lot of what I listen to is at least Coldwave adjacent. Though admittedly much more on the European side. Lebanon Hanover, Selofan, etc. But you aren't wrong about 16 volt. And what better time since if I remember correctly they just released a new album this year anyhow.
The american "resurgence" felt "cold" in different way, and I feel like it should never have been called that because it just leads to confusion.
Then the bands that wanted to revive the original style like LH only added further confusion because there were two conflicting styles at the same time. π
New vs dark vs cold vs frozen wave. At least we are inclusive in our confusion and waves.
Damn, I wish I knew this existed back when I lived in NYC
Well, at least they don't suffer for choice up there. Between murder of crows, dark force fest, and a number of others. There's something regularly going on throughout most of the year, I think.
Honestly, the only reason my Midwestern ass knows about them is because I have a couple of good friends that are heavily in the scene up there. with an open invitation to come up and see the shows while helping out at their booths. Something I should take them up on one of these days.
I'll bet you'd have a blast π
Well, seeing as on a number of occasions. We have been watching random strangers footage of some of the events at the Bowery. Saying, who is that in your place there by the stage? Oh, it's you. And joking that basically she's practically a fixture there. You are probably not wrong.
Glad they made this decision. A couple years ago I had a bit of extra clothes money and several t-shirts died at once so I bought a couple Punk Rave & Devil Fashion t-shirts off that vampirefreaks web store. It was one of the few places that shipped from the US and I figured at least they put on that concert.
This bums me out, I like Hate Dept.
Yep. I liked Imperative Reaction, and to an extent the Gothsicles. Though the Causticles were the superior article. And Matt Fanale is still the man.
Dark Forces was such a fun game. Liked the sequels too. Helpmeob 1!
never played the sequels, but I do have the original on CD still