echoing the sentiment of fellow mod Aatube (they also made a comment, but i can not mark their comment as "Distinguish as moderator comment", so just linking and copying the statement) - we are not discussing insta bans or perma bans. we would have warnings and temporary bans. perma bans are extremely rare.

https://piefed.social/post/1305005#comment_8155610

My 2 cents (not as a mod) - do not remove or ban. My primary reason is that there should be some healthy dose of reality in the mix. for example, there was a post about some miracle drug which cures addiction. it was in comments that clarified that drug has been known for quite some time, and has not been prescribed because it's efficacy is not proven (it is more vibes/feels/placebo based), and it increases risk for heart related diseases (so we can not just prescribe and be like if it does not work, there is no harm).

As a mod, i do feel there is some room to change the rules. we can mostly just ask the comments section to be more civil. it is fair to point problems, but not shit unnecessarily. for example, there was a recent post about some actor "adopting" a town/village. in comments someone said that these never work. if they really want to bring change, they should lobby and bring policy change (which they say so casually as if it is that easy to be done). I did not delete the comment for two reasons - one i believe in free speech, and if what they say is shit, it will get downvoted (while i am not always about mob justice, it is good to know what the people think) (in case of this comment, it was -10 - -15 ish last i checkd). Secondly, i had no rule allowing me to do so - we delete/ban hate speech, an uncivility, but in this case, this anger was not targetted (it was more of - they never end up bringing anything good kinda argument instead of actor specific, it was more about how they go by generally). while it does not match the general vibe of community, i do not feel i should delete stuff hust on that basis.

the comment i was talking about - https://piefed.social/post/1306755#comment_8157021

The community's entire premise is subjective. Let people discuss a post's merit as being uplifting in the comments. Just enforce civility.

I think it's a valiant idea, but a lotta people don't necessarily look at the community before engaging to even take specific community rules into account. Especially if the post title is inflammatory in one way or another.

Rules about how you must behave that extend beyond generally not being a bad actor just confuse newcomers and may turn them off entirely to the idea, even though the intention is not bad.

I don't frequent this community, so please take what I say with a grain of salt, but I'm not seeing many bars/criteria which is what is being requested so I'll throw in my two cents.

\1. If it is reasonable context or updates the average person would want/need, then it should be allowed.

Examples:

"It's great the old lady recovered from her fall down the stairs, but unfortunately, a few hours after this article, she fell down again : ("

"She fell down the stairs because the step height was inconsistent, that needs to be fixed ASAP."

\2. If it is pointed, hostile, or drumming up anger, it should NOT be allowed.

Examples:

"It's the Radical Escalator Group that weakened stair legislation!"

"She should have been more careful. This is clearly on the old lady."

\3. If it is dismissive of the good news or tries to make people feel bad for enjoying the good news, it should NOT be allowed.

Examples:

"Sure SHE recovered, but what about the hundreds of stair fall victims who don't?"

"How does this help anyone?"

"If you don't check the stairs you use and report bad stairs, this is your fault, and you shouldn't be celebrating her recovery."

\4. General negativity that does not needlessly effect others should be allowed.

Examples:

"My grandma fell down the stairs too. Hoping for a recovery"

"My stairs are all messed up too, but sadly I rent, so I can't fix them..."

"This will likely happen again. We should make sure the needed resources for recovery are available, or the next one might not end so happily."

I do think the only punishment should be removal and a warning, but I do not mod, so I'll leave that discussion to the experts.

Edit: formatting x2

Something similar happened to !cooking@lemmy.world a few months ago and the mods ended up sending an announcement that included this:

Reporting posts that are on topic for being off topic will result in no moderation.

Here’s the link: https://threadiverse.link/lemmy.world/post/32937669

You’re the one who’s going to moderate the community, if you don’t want to remove comments or permaban anybody then don’t. There are plenty of us here that will support you and the community regardless of your decision.

However, please make the rules clear, e.g. three strikes and you’re banned for a month or for fifty years. It’s impossible to make everyone happy and FWIW I appreciate what you’re doing.

@sad_detective_man likes having Uplifting News on his feed, as do I; @OpenStars, @Kolanaki and @oeuf made very good points regarding enforcement, respite and sanctuary; I echo @frongt and @chiocciola’s comments about removal and personal attacks; @CrazM13 and @Sh00Fly made a valid point about sympathy and empathy but unfortunately not everyone is capable of empathy which is partially how we got here; I do like this: “If you have nothing nice to say, don’t say anything at all.” That covers a lot of ground…

Remove. It's already unwelcome per the community info.

Furthermore, political and "orphan crushing machine" type posts should also be removed.

I agree with removing all of those comments. Comments that point out factual inaccuracies should be allowed, but comments that are some variety of This Is Bad, Actually or We Should Be Talking About X Instead should not. As a general rule, comments should only be made if a reasonable, non-radicalized person would consider them uplifting. Posts that are not uplifting should be downvoted and posters who primarily post non-uplifting stuff should be warned and eventually banned.

I come here for respite from the cynicism and darkness and would rather not see those kinds of comments. But I don't know about them being entirely removed in case they contain clarifications or context.

I think commenters should make more of an effort to reflect the tone of the community if they do feel the need to criticise the post and I think mods should put these kind of comments behind a filter like for nsfw posts.

(using my main for more in-depth personal thoughts:) Personally, I don't think we should, as it's too subjective a thing to have a rule against, and downvotes already exist to measure subjective opinion. There is the concern that like the schadenfreude situation, the upvotes are coming from the !all people over that of this commag, but schadenfreude is much easier to set a bright-line rule for and it doesn't seem like negative comments are dominating our commag.

Perchance adding a footnote or an amendment to the rules on the sidebar, e.g. “The Golden Rule: If you have nothing nice to say, don’t say anything at all.”

There will always be be Debbie Downers, Negative Nellies and Angry Adams waiting to rain on someone’s parade. Having read plenty of Lemmy drama, a common complaint is that the rules are “impossible for a user to follow unless it is made clear” and “disagreeing with [mod’s name] gets you banned”.

We all know that sometimes there are negative aspects of that Uplifting News but common sense dictates that I keep that negativity to myself and gladly upvote anyway. Am I glad that Huntington’s disease is treatable? Of course! Am I going to tell Lemmy about not-so-nice things I learned from the physicians in my family? Oh no, not a chance. Why not? There’s always someone in Lemmy hoping to read about a cure for a disease that their loved one was diagnosed with. Who am I to take that hope away from them?

For the sake and sanity of both users and moderators, I agree that the rules should be made clear(er) so neither moderator nor user can feign ignorance.

For example:

“Your comment was removed for breaking Rule 1a: Spreading negativity; Rule 12c: Citation without Source(s); Rule 99x: Toxic comment irrelevant to post”

1st Offense: Comment removed and greet someone a Happy Cake Day, no time served 2nd Offense: Explain your strengths and weaknesses in two paragraphs, due in 24 hours or 7-day ban. 3rd Offense: Thesis on the Effects of Positive Thinking, due in 72 hours or 1 year ban.

Disclaimer: The moderators of Uplifting News community reserves the right to update rules, remove content and ban users.

OP, I commend you for this inclusive post and your proactive approach towards making this community better. Everyone on this thread has made insightful comments. Laws change and evolve everyday in this world that we live in, there’s no reason why the Uplifting News community can’t do the same.

Thank you.

I don't know why a lot of people are vehemently dismissing instabans as an option (as if it were on the table). We are NOT going to instaban anyone for anything, except for spamming/bludgeoning but even then it'd be a tempban. Is there something in the original post that suggests we're going to instaban?

Mods thank you for all the work you do and also go fuck yourselves you thin skinned pricks on a windy day.

Only joking really, I haven't met any of you.

Remove and no ban. If you don’t like removing the ever increasing bad attitudes of humans then stop being a mod