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[–] Juice@midwest.social 13 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

Capitalism needs poverty, which is why it creates poverty

[–] goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org 4 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

And why dems okay not addressing it or letting what limited help they do expire

[–] anticolonialist@lemmy.world 2 points 17 hours ago

Democrats have never been concerned about easing the struggle of the working class. Their purpose is to pacify the working class with meaningless gestures, and hollow platitudes

[–] sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml 28 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] sad_detective_man@sopuli.xyz 9 points 1 day ago

Oh Tyrannitar of the burning trashpile horizon. What other wisdom do you dispense?

[–] sasquatch7704@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Well, to be fair, comunism also created poverty.

Maybe it's the shity humans that get elected (or not), that create poverty, not necessarily the system

[–] PixeIOrange@lemmy.world 0 points 7 hours ago

No. Capitalism punishes socialism systems (communism never existet) so poverty can rise even in them.

The main problem of humankind is capitalism.

[–] anticolonialist@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Government is the legislative arm of capitalism. Capitalism is designed to concentrate wealth at the top at the expense of the working class.

[–] finitebanjo@piefed.world 0 points 1 day ago (3 children)

What's your opinion on NATO?

[–] goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org 3 points 20 hours ago (2 children)

Is NATO fighting against poverty now?

[–] eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

Banjo has told me he wants Mexicans kept in cages because they committed crimes. Ignore anything they say.

They think when Republicans do it, they're evil. When Democrats do it, it's moral and just.

[–] goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago) (1 children)

It's just interesting to see what they'll say today.

Or interesting when they suddenly stop after flawed logic pointed out in their silly attempt to score points

[–] eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

The same old tired bullshit, unable to read anything that doesn't agree with them.

https://lemvotes.org/comment/lemmy.dbzer0.com/comment/21667688

I mean they downvote and act like that's a response to "please treat humans with dignity and respect"

[–] goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

In their mind if not with them then aren't worth respect

[–] eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 hours ago

Why else would they be for the removal of anyone they disagree with and/or committed crimes?

[–] finitebanjo@piefed.world -3 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago) (2 children)

NATO is preventing war and the expansion of authoritarian states across the globe, so yes, in a roundabout way, it is.

[–] Schmoo@slrpnk.net 3 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago) (1 children)

And what a great job they're doing! There's definitely no double standards here, oh no. *cough Israel *cough.

NATO only acts to prevent the expansion of the United States' rival imperial powers, like Russia and China. It's nothing more than a military alliance of western powers to maintain US hegemony. It's all well and good that it resists and deters Russia imperialism in Europe, but it has zero interest in stopping US imperialism in the middle east as carried out by the US' favorite proxy state and stationary aircraft carrier, Israel. NATO isn't attempting to maintain peace in Europe out of a genuine desire to protect human life, but simply to preserve the status quo and balance of power.

And if you're wondering how Trump wanting to leave NATO fits into all this, it's precisely because NATO preserves the balance of power. He thinks he can benefit from destabilizing the political climate of the world because he's a scumbag who takes advantage of chaos to advance his interests, and he doesn't care if other authoritarian leaders are able to do the same. The US could lose global standing, but that's a risk he's willing to take if it helps him consolidate power internally.

[–] finitebanjo@piefed.world 0 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago) (2 children)

Israel literally is not a member of NATO. Another nation could invade Israel right now and it would NOT trigger a NATO response.

NATO members Itally and Spain sent NATO Military forces to protect the Gaza Aid Flotilla recently. https://www.newsweek.com/nato-warships-protecting-gaza-convoy-against-israel-attack-greta-thunberg-10786877

[–] anticolonialist@lemmy.world 1 points 4 hours ago

Neither was Libya but that didn't stop NATO from destroying it

[–] goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 6 hours ago

NATO members Itally and Spain sent NATO Military forces to protect the Gaza Aid Flotilla recently. https://www.newsweek.com/nato-warships-protecting-gaza-convoy-against-israel-attack-greta-thunberg-1078687

Well that's what everyone hoped was happening but now it's just there for rescue efforts after the attempt to ~~intimate~~ get them to give the aid to Israel failed

https://apnews.com/article/israel-gaza-flotilla-italy-spain-000441922caa2c88cf73203e83d3e6e2

Defense Minister Guido Crosetto urged the flotilla to offload aid instead in Cyprus, suggesting Italy and the Catholic Church could deliver it safely to Palestinians. He emphasized that Italy couldn’t guarantee the flotilla’s security once it entered another country’s waters, noting Israel might view it as a “hostile act.”

[–] goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org -1 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

By that logic trump is good because he's fighting against China

[–] finitebanjo@piefed.world 0 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

Trump literally attempted to leave NATO at the end of his last term and frequently talks about it this term. If this is how Trump fights against China then I supremely hope he sails away and starts fighting for the Chinese, soon.

[–] goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

Again your logic was anyone fighting authoritarians = good and fighting poverty.

Trump uses the excuse of fighting China to fuck up the economy with tariffs that not only does nothing to hurt China but only screws over the American economy. But since it's fighting China it's therefore good by your logic.

Trump literally attempted to leave NATO at the end of his last term and frequently talks about it this term. If this is how Trump fights against China then I supremely hope he sails away and starts fighting for the Chinese, soon.

None of that is at all relevant to why you claim NATO is fighting povert. Or why that logic can then be used to imply trump good

[–] finitebanjo@piefed.world 0 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

You seem confused about how my question relates to the meme? It's a litmus test for whether or not a person is the sort of Tankie who supports China sending Uyghurs to work camps until they die, who supports Russia's invasion of Ukraine, who supports Pig Butchering Scams and Psyops which get people like Trump elected. If you wonder if a person actually opposes capitalism or actually just opposes western democracies, you can ask them their opinion on NATO and they will clear up any confusion.

[–] goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

And what does that have to do with your logic saying trump is good?

Also a weird purity test for someone that wants a big tent party.

[–] finitebanjo@piefed.world 0 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

lmfao, I even already clarified Trump is sidingnot with me but WITH YOU on this issue.

Not a purity test, a polarity test to separate us from enemies of mankind and themselves. Tankies are in the GOP base.

[–] goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 8 hours ago

No you ignored it and deflected by saying trump wants to leave NATO which is unrelated to the logic of him being good because anti China.

Not a purity test, a polarity test to separate us from enemies of mankind and themselves. Tankies are in the GOP base.

Who do you think are the enemies?

[–] maniacalmanicmania@aussie.zone 13 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It's not as tasty as nattō

[–] anticolonialist@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago (2 children)

NATO is the European arm of US imperialism

[–] thelittleerik@lemmy.world 0 points 1 day ago

The correct answer.